Ellen's facts wrong?

ABigBrassBand

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Hey there, just one concern about Ellen's adventure:

At the end, the final Jeopardy question is "What is the source of energy that will never run out?", and the answer is "What is brain power, Alex?"

...but this isn't true, as there are many other renewable resources, so why haven't they updated this? Seems like a fault on their part, but feel free to correct me.
 
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0ogabooha said:
Hey there, just one concern about Ellen's adventure:

At the end, the final Jeopardy question is "What is the source of energy that will never run out?", and the answer is "What is brain power, Alex?"

...but this isn't true, as there are many other renewable resources, so why haven't they updated this? Seems like a fault on their part, but feel free to correct me.
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In a dream sequence, nobody's wrong... :lol:

In reality, every source currently available could concievably run out, including "brain power", if we haven't migrated to space when the Sun finally dies... :shrug:
 
ABigBrassBand

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MontyMon said:
In a dream sequence, nobody's wrong... :lol:

In reality, every source currently available could concievably run out, including "brain power", if we haven't migrated to space when the Sun finally dies... :shrug:
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I was discussing this with my sister last night...she used the argument that renewable sources such as Hydroelectric, Solar, Wind, etc. could all run out after dependence on the Earth dies/sun dies (in how long? a really long time IIRC).

But doesn't this stand for brainpower as well? I'm sure the intention was to continue with the EPCOT motif of inspiration and that the human mind can do anything, etc., but could they have at least gotten facts right? As of now it's just me being nitpicky, but if they ever refurbish it they should take this into account.
 
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0ogabooha said:
I was discussing this with my sister last night...she used the argument that renewable sources such as Hydroelectric, Solar, Wind, etc. could all run out after dependence on the Earth dies/sun dies (in how long? a really long time IIRC).

But doesn't this stand for brainpower as well? I'm sure the intention was to continue with the EPCOT motif of inspiration and that the human mind can do anything, etc., but could they have at least gotten facts right? As of now it's just me being nitpicky, but if they ever refurbish it they should take this into account.
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if they refurbish, I would expect something completely different than what is there now. Possibly not even dealing with energy at all.
 
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0ogabooha said:
I was discussing this with my sister last night...she used the argument that renewable sources such as Hydroelectric, Solar, Wind, etc. could all run out after dependence on the Earth dies/sun dies (in how long? a really long time IIRC).

But doesn't this stand for brainpower as well? I'm sure the intention was to continue with the EPCOT motif of inspiration and that the human mind can do anything, etc., but could they have at least gotten facts right? As of now it's just me being nitpicky, but if they ever refurbish it they should take this into account.
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It's a joke and should be taken as such.
 
Phonedave

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In the end, well after the thing we call "The Sun" dies, the universe will die in "heat death"

Energy does not get "used up" it changes from one form to another, and in the process of moving from one potential energy to another, some if it becomes heat. (Remember Thermo 101 kids? There's no such thing as a free lunch). Eventualy all energy in the universe will become at the same potential, meaning no energy TRANSFER will be able to take place. Everything will become a uniform temperature and all life as we know it will cease to exist - EVERYWHERE.

Of course all of this depends on if the universe is closed (will eventualy contract), or if it will continue expanding, and if it is expanding, the the rate of entropy change plays a role.

Of course if you want some light reading, I can lend you my copy of "The Physics of Immorality" by Frank Tipler.

The Omega Point is a term used by Tulane University professor of mathematics and physics Frank J. Tipler to describe a scientific theory regarding what he maintains is a necessary cosmological state in the distant future of the universe.

Tipler has identified this final singularity and its state of infinite information processing capacity with God. The implication of this theory for people today is, basically, their resurrection. It would be brought about by an ultimate cosmic computer running computer simulations of all intelligent life that had ever lived (by re-creating simulations of all possible quantum brain states within the master simulation).

According to Tipler's Omega Point Theory, as the universe comes to an end at a singularity in a particular form of the Big Crunch, the computational capacity of the universe would accelerate faster and faster. In principle, then, a program run on this universal computer could continue forever in its own terms, even though the universe would last only a finite amount of proper time.
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Wacky wacky stuff, it puts Ellen to shame :D


-dave
 
ABigBrassBand

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Phonedave said:
In the end, well after the thing we call "The Sun" dies, the universe will die in "heat death"

Energy does not get "used up" it changes from one form to another, and in the process of moving from one potential energy to another, some if it becomes heat. (Remember Thermo 101 kids? There's no such thing as a free lunch). Eventualy all energy in the universe will become at the same potential, meaning no energy TRANSFER will be able to take place. Everything will become a uniform temperature and all life as we know it will cease to exist - EVERYWHERE.

Of course all of this depends on if the universe is closed (will eventualy contract), or if it will continue expanding, and if it is expanding, the the rate of entropy change plays a role.

Of course if you want some light reading, I can lend you my copy of "The Physics of Immorality" by Frank Tipler.


Wacky wacky stuff, it puts Ellen to shame :D


-dave
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Well, I know, the law of energy conservation states that energy is neither created nor destroyed; it only changes form, but there are renewable resources that (in this current time period) will never run out, hence their name. In the case of Ellen, it makes no sense, but since it is apparently a joke could someone explain it to me? :p

And will check out the book, seems interesting.
 
RonAnnArbor

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It's not a "Joke" in the sense of ha ha funny...It's a "joke" in the sense of "humorous way to end a script done by a comedian"....

Remember when they filmed this eons ago, that Ellen wasn't known as a talkshow host....she had just started her new television series, and was pretty much only known as a stand-up comic at that point.

UofE was rewritten for Ellen in 1996. Before that, it was just random scenes about Energy (although the dinosaurs were already there, albeit in slightly different form/style)

The attraction used to be sponsored by Exxon/Mobil -- there were ads throughout the ride and on the outside of the pavilion. Exxon/Mobil wasn't about to talk to you about renewable energy sources for very long.

ALso, in 1996, a lot of what we know now wasn't even in existence - and people weren't talking about it. You might notice that they spent exactly 7 seconds on nuclear power, for example -- but Exxon/Mobil doesn't supply nuclear power. They had no interest in spending too much time on that.

"BrainPower" is used sort of as an all-encomapassing way to end the script in an upbeat way. What do you want them to say - "eventually all energy sources will run out and everyone in the world will die?". That's not Disney's way.
 
Wilt Dasney

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RonAnnArbor said:
It's not a "Joke" in the sense of ha ha funny...It's a "joke" in the sense of "humorous way to end a script done by a comedian"....



"BrainPower" is used sort of as an all-encomapassing way to end the script in an upbeat way. What do you want them to say - "eventually all energy sources will run out and everyone in the world will die?". That's not Disney's way.
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All of this. It wasn't intended as a "fact" in the empirical sense...just something to make you feel good about living in an age of (we'd like to think) limitless human potential.
 
powlessfamily4

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Well I like the attraction... it is great for a 20 min. power nap in a well air conditioned enviroment with semi comfortable seats and dimmed lighting, during the heat of the day! ;)
 
muteki

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The ride in its current form was created when Exxon was still the sponsor, which IMO calls into question just about everything in the ride. I love the ride (and UoE even more) but I have never considered it a good place to go for energy-related information. I take it as entertaining and leave it at that.

Stupid Judy Stupid Energy :hammer:
 
flavious27

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0ogabooha said:
Hey there, just one concern about Ellen's adventure:

At the end, the final Jeopardy question is "What is the source of energy that will never run out?", and the answer is "What is brain power, Alex?"

...but this isn't true, as there are many other renewable resources, so why haven't they updated this? Seems like a fault on their part, but feel free to correct me.
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you know that was suppose to inspire us to do better with our energy policy.
 
ABigBrassBand

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flavious27 said:
you know that was suppose to inspire us to do better with our energy policy.
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I'm sure there's a way to inspire while keeping scientifically accurate as well. If you say it's not up to date then that's a valid statement, but saying anything else doesn't really fit. :shrug:
 
njDizFan

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I honestly don't understand why you have a problem with this phrase. It is basically the disney mantra....imagination is endless. The brain i.e imagination has no boundries and is infinite. Obviously everything has an end and beginning unless you want to get spirtual.
 
ABigBrassBand

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njDizFan said:
I honestly don't understand why you have a problem with this phrase. It is basically the disney mantra....imagination is endless. The brain i.e imagination has no boundries and is infinite. Obviously everything has an end and beginning unless you want to get spirtual.
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It's not that I myself have a problem with it, but on a ride in a place that is dedicated to science, I just thought that they'd keep it accurate. That being said, it is ExxonMobil
 

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