Are 3 dead CM's a sign that penny pinching TDO needs change?

[Timon]

Has TDO cut so many corners that the 3 deaths are a reflection of neglect vs legitimate savings?

Is this the point Disneyland reached several years ago during their rampant penny pinching that reduced park maintenance to the point where guests died on DL's Big Thunder Mt? Afterward DL management changed, the park standards were restored and DCA is being corrected.

Are we at that point in WDW? Is it time for Jay Rasulo and his Eisner-ite puppets to go? Do we need to wait for Big Thunder event?

 

[HMF]

Are we at that point in WDW? Is it time for Jay Rasulo and his Eisner-ite puppets to go? Do we need to wait for Big Thunder event?

Absolutely!!!

 

[RiversideBunny]

Could you explain, for each of those 3, how more money would have prevented the accident?

Thanks.

 

[jt04]

Expoiting the situation while loved ones are still grieving is unconscionable Timon. This is not the time or the place for such callous talk. You should be ashamed!

 

[yeti]

Are we at that point in WDW? Is it time for Jay Rasulo and his Eisner-ite puppets to go? Do we need to wait for Big Thunder event?

Are you seriously comparing JR to these incidents? Why on Earth is it his fault?!

 

[Skip]

If any of the three incidents had to do with poor maintenance or something Disney could've controlled, then I'd agree with you... but none of them were related... so this seems to be in pretty poor taste. :shrug:

 

[jt04]

Mods if ever a thread should be locked it is now. And probably more. Is there no low some people won't sink too?

 

[_Scar]

Expoiting the situation while loved ones are still grieving is unconscionable Timon. This is not the time or the place for such callous talk. You should be ashamed!

LOL :brick: like he's somehow insulting them. Don't troll here.

Yes, I believe things will change because of bad publicity, but don't think TDO is fully at fault.

 

[mkt]

Expoiting the situation while loved ones are still grieving is unconscionable Timon. This is not the time or the place for such callous talk. You should be ashamed!

How is discussing a potential possibility to prevent future occurrences unconscionable?

If you have a problem with a post, DON'T READ IT.

 

[DisneyGurl2000]

Didn't a lot of those cuts have to do with managers in the training departments?
I'm wondering with Disney cutting a lot of the training out if it's causing more harm than good...
It seems like they are caring more about $$$$ than the "safety of their cast"

 

[jt04]

LOL :brick: like he's somehow insulting them. Don't troll here.

Yes, I believe things will change because of bad publicity, but don't think TDO is fully at fault.

He or she is obviously exploiting the tragedy. There is nothng funny in that whatsoever.

 

[mkt]

Previous post aside... I have been warning for years about Disney's penny pinching. However, in these 3 incidents I don't think that penny pinching had much to do with these incidents.

 

[mkt]

He or she is obviously exploiting the tragedy. There is nothng funny in that whatsoever.

No. Exploiting the tragedy would be selling a video of the incident to the highest bidder.

Having an open and mature discussion about it (something that I've noticed you are obviously far too incapable to handle) is not.

 

[mkt]

Didn't a lot of those cuts have to do with managers in the training departments?
I'm wondering with Disney cutting a lot of the training out if it's causing more harm than good...
It seems like they are caring more about $$$$ than the "safety of their cast"

Disney does indeed care more about $$$$ than the "safety of their cast"

That having been said, I don't think the problem with training cutbacks had much to do with this (unlike other things, like declining standards of guest service), since the phrase "those who can't do, teach" is eerily accurate about WDW.

 

[jakeman]

This is neither news nor rumor.

Additionally, none of us have an adequate amount of information to draw a conclusion such as this.

There has been no final OSHA or NTSB report released for any of these deaths. If the accidents were due to either a lack of oversight or lack of training the investigation will bear that out and we can light our pitchforks at that time.

 

[jt04]

How is discussing a potential possibility to prevent future occurrences unconscionable?

If you have a problem with a post, DON'T READ IT.

My guess is Steve will also find it exploitive and insinsitive. I am sure many on these boards will also take note as to who finds it acceptable to exploit the tragedy.

 

[DarthGrady]

Disney doing things "on the cheap" is, in my opinion, the very root of almost all evil in the company. You can see it nearly everywhere. In the aforementioned maintenance neglect, resulting in injuries and deaths to guests and CMs alike. The almost inevitable lawsuits that result then cost more money than keeping up a more expensive maintenance schedule would have!

That same cheapness extends to other areas too. They attempt to create "leaner" (read cheaper) versions of attractions to save money and increase revenue. The result is guest complaints and anger because of the decreased quality (cough! JIYI! Cough!!). People know the difference between a Chevy and a Rolls .

Even the beloved Disney films suffer. I will never accept computer "animation" as an equal of true animation. Sure it cheaper and quicker, but it isn't art, it technology, and its not the same. Along those same lines, I remember a time when you would hear hit songs on the radio that came from Disney films. That doesn't seem to happen as often now. Coincidence? I think not.

Disney has made a reputation for being magic makers. Overwhelming guests with technical and cinematic wizardry. When you try to do those things cheaply, it becomes a sad caricature, like a shoddy made for TV movie.

 

[yeti]

He or she is obviously exploiting the tragedy. There is nothng funny in that whatsoever.

Stupid as it may be, I really don't think anyone is going to get offended by this thread.

 

[_Scar]

My guess is Steve will also find it exploitive and insinsitive. I am sure many on these boards will also take note as to who finds it acceptable to exploit the tragedy.

Do you know what exploiting means?

 

[mkt]

My guess is Steve will also find it exploitive and insinsitive. I am sure many on these boards will also take note as to who finds it acceptable to exploit the tragedy.

Let's let Steve make that judgment then, shall we? And let those people take note. If they're that sad, small, and pathetic... then I really could care less what they do.

K, k?

Do you know what exploiting means?

I'm personally trying to figure out what insinsitive means.