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Disney making $1 billion investment in OpenAI, will allow characters on Sora AI video generator

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Can we stop acting like all uses of AI are universal across platforms and corporations? Like much in life, some are good, some are bad and some are in the middle.

Some are public facing, some are not.

I like how @HauntedPirate used AI to create his list :D
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TrainsOfDisney

Well-Known Member
I agree in certain circumstances.

When have you found it to be inaccurate?
Many times. And to be clear “it” is ChatGPT - I’ve been messing around with Gemini and just signed up for Claude this weekend so we shall see!

The most surprising was when I asked it to put operating steam locomotives in order by weight and the order was completely wrong even though the listed weight was correct. So it was pulling the correct info from wiki or wherever, but it didn’t know how to put them in order. I asked it to double check 2 or 3 times before it got it right.

It also told me that Tom Sawyer island rafts were pulled by a chain.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
No, not AI chatbots. What part of "Dr. Google" was unclear? Parents literally will show healthcare providers their Google searches about what they think is wrong with their child.
No need to be snarky. I agreed with you about people using Google, and then made the point that people also do this with AI chatbots. There's even one built into Google search now, so I'm sure this is happening even more!
I don't know, you tell me, Mr. AI Expert:

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I've seen AI features like these in my banking and payment apps, too. I'm under the impression that these are optional or behind-the-scenes, so it hasn't felt like they're being forced on us. Is this not the case?

Seriously, no need for any hostility! I'm not trying to upset anyone, and I know AI isn't for everyone. I don't have any stake in anyone using it. I'm here to have fun, interesting discussions, and I find AI fascinating; I enjoy talking about Disney's possible uses for it. If it isn't fun for you, we can move on to other things.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
Many times. And to be clear “it” is ChatGPT - I’ve been messing around with Gemini and just signed up for Claude this weekend so we shall see!

The most surprising was when I asked it to put operating steam locomotives in order by weight and the order was completely wrong even though the listed weight was correct. So it was pulling the correct info from wiki or wherever, but it didn’t know how to put them in order. I asked it to double check 2 or 3 times before it got it right.

It also told me that Tom Sawyer island rafts were pulled by a chain.
In my opinion, Claude's output is superior. With the right inputs, it has been more accurate and less prone to hallucination than ChatGPT.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
Yes, it was highly recommended to me and I’m already extremely impressed so far but I haven’t really tested it enough yet.
I'm hopeful that Disney will pursue a partnership with Anthropic now that their deal with OpenAI has fallen through.

For anyone concerned about the ethical use of AI, Anthropic (the company behind Claude.ai) was founded by engineers who left OpenAI over concerns about OpenAI's approaches, commercialization, and positioning of ChatGPT. Some major examples of their integrity in the news recently.
 

Dranth

Well-Known Member
Most of the arguments against AI I’ve seen here are literally the same ones used against the printing press when it was first introduced.
No one was trying to use the printing press to determine missile strikes, or asking what medications can safely mix, or financial planning advice, etc. Also, as best I can tell, no one formed an unhealthy fake relationship with a printing press because it constantly validated them every time they talked to it.

In a professional setting an AI can be great when used as a tool and not a replacement, and most of the people I know who praise it are looking at it in that sense. Great, but for the general public, it is a mess with a ton of traps and downsides that are being largely ignored.

I've seen AI features like these in my banking and payment apps, too. I'm under the impression that these are optional or behind-the-scenes, so it hasn't felt like they're being forced on us. Is this not the case?
The kicker here is that these companies are paying a bunch of money for these systems and their end goal isn't to have a few optional services on the fringe.
 

Ayla

Well-Known Member
Speaking of AI, I've had a few professional contacts send me emails that are obviously AI-generated. My response is I will respond with the information they are requesting when they send me an email they wrote, not AI.

And no, I don't care if they get pi$$ed off. Do it right or don't bother doing it.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
No one was trying to use the printing press to determine missile strikes, or asking what medications can safely mix, or financial planning advice, etc. Also, as best I can tell, no one formed an unhealthy fake relationship with a printing press because it constantly validated them every time they talked to it.
I agree. AI is one of the first major technological innovations that pretends to be human. This is fundamentally different.

But there were, in fact, worries that the printing press would be detrimental to national security, military, and medical advice. Governments were worried that mass publication would facilitate disinformation and the spread of destablizing propaganda. Doctors worried that access to printed medical books would undermine patients' trust in doctors.

Yeah, I don't think many people had unhealthy dependent relationships with printing presses, but I think we have seen it with certain books, philosophies, and the authors who used the printing press to build platforms for influence.

Note that the concerns all turned out to be correct, but I think the benefits have outweighed the negatives.
In a professional setting an AI can be great when used as a tool and not a replacement, and most of the people I know who praise it are looking at it in that sense. Great, but for the general public, it is a mess with a ton of traps and downsides that are being largely ignored.
I blame the AI companies that have presented AI as consumer products (that train the models) rather than professional tools, which is what they really are at this point.
The kicker here is that these companies are paying a bunch of money for these systems and their end goal isn't to have a few optional services on the fringe.
Isn't this how all innovations (especially technological ones) have always been incorporated? They start as optional, add-on features (which allow developers to learn and adjust them), and then they are incorporated into mainstream products.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
Speaking of AI, I've had a few professional contacts send me emails that are obviously AI-generated. My response is I will respond with the information they are requesting when they send me an email they wrote, not AI.

And no, I don't care if they get pi$$ed off. Do it right or don't bother doing it.
Is a voicemail ok, or do they need to submit requests in writing? Can they use carbon paper for triplicate copies?
Do you allow spellcheck?
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
You’re right, AI is not necessary.
It just makes the same task much faster, easier, and more comprehensive.

Have you used it?
It absolutely, positively does not make it “more comprehensive.” Compiling information via primary and secondary sources gives you a vastly fuller and more meaningful understanding of any topic, including the culture and history of a particular tourist destination. Humans are also capable of creating new ideas from that information in a way AI can’t. This is all in addition to the fact that AI writing is painfully soulless to read, a succession of letters with nothing substantive behind them.

And yes, AI is terribly inaccurate at this point.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Do you mean it’s being promoted by people who stand to benefit from its use? Or is someone requiring you to use it?
I’ll repeat this - the AI companies are working with the current administration to ban all regulation of AI for a decade, including state regulation and the actions of future administrations. That’s an incredible, unprecedented effort.

By the way, the population doesn’t particularly want AI:


 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
It absolutely, positively does not make it “more comprehensive.” Compiling information via primary and secondary sources gives you a vastly fuller and more meaningful understanding of any topic, including the culture and history of a particular tourist destination.
Do you think your manual search can find more sources than AI's web search, with access to a wide variety of specialized databases and indices?
A pool of primary and secondary sources provides a fuller understanding than one that includes tertiary, supplemental, and contradictory sources?
How many languages are you fluent in? Can you meaningfully search and instantly translate content from international sources?
Humans are also capable of creating new ideas from that information in a way AI can’t.
I agree!
This is all in addition to the fact that AI writing is painfully soulless to read, a succession of letters with nothing substantive behind them.
A lot of it is, but it doesn't have to be.
And yes, AI is terribly inaccurate at this point.
Especially if you point to the worst, laziest, half-hearted uses of it.

Are you familiar with RAG (retrieval-augmented generation)? These AI systems are extremely accurate because they pull from specially designed, curated source content.

Disney's deal with OpenAI was an attempt to keep AI-generated Disney IP accurate while keeping it under strict limits.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
Most of the arguments against AI I’ve seen here are literally the same ones used against the printing press when it was first introduced.
I respect you a great deal as a poster, Caleb, but statements like this seem to indicate that are relying on catchphrases and boosterism when considering the impact of AI.

ETA: Those concerns were warranted and prescient then and they are now. But in hindsight we can see the net benefit of the innovation.
As you seem to acknowledge here, claiming something is “just a tool,” overlooks the massive impact tools have on humans and the way they interact with the world. It also overlooks the fact that different situations are different - the differences between the printing press and AI are so many they are impossible to list. What effect will wide adoption have? How will they change users? How will those changes change society, culture, politics, economics? What changes are we already seeing? How is a new technology being disseminated? Who is pushing its dissemination and why? How might malign forces use this technology? Etc.
 
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HMF

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In a professional setting an AI can be great when used as a tool and not a replacement, and most of the people I know who praise it are looking at it in that sense. Great, but for the general public, it is a mess with a ton of traps and downsides that are being largely ignored.
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This. As with anything, how something is used will ultimately determine whether it is a good or bad thing and in what circumstances.
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
I respect you a great deal as a poster, Caleb, but statements like this seem to indicate that are relying on catchphrases and boosterism when considering the impact of AI.
This was not my intention. I think AI is the single biggest technological innovation of my lifetime (the most promising and, perhaps, the most dangerous).

I think it's important for more people to get used to AI so we can find better ways to use it, put good safeguards in place, and encourage healthy competition in the space. I'm cautiously optimistic.
 

Alice a

Well-Known Member
I agree. And loads of people are using AI chatbots for this. Which is sad, because they find things that give false alarm and/or false hope.

More if you don’t know how to use it.

What was the structure of the prompt you used?

EDIT: Oh, @Alice a, I just realized it may have sounded like I was asking you to share personal/medical information! This wasn't my intention. I've edited my post to be clearer that I meant "how was your prompt structured," as in, "what guidance did you give it?" Sorry about that!

As I said previously, if people type a question into a free-tier chatbot without context, clear instructions, parameters, limits, source priorities, etc., they’re going to get bad output.
I usually try several queries, trying to give the benefit of the doubt that this ‘intelligence’ is just reacting to user-error.

An example is: ”What over-the-counter influenza medications are safe for patients with high blood pressure?” and then I usually change up the wording to something like “treating the symptoms,” etc.

I’m no Luddite. Before I moved into retail, I customized Salesforce platforms for colleges, medical institutions, and recruiters.

I was even a consultant for awhile, helping small businesses figure out how to grow and streamline expenditures.

It usually boiled down to paying employees more, with better benefits, because turnover is expensive and having fewer happy, well-paid, efficient employees is ultimately cheaper than having a bunch of unhappy people that don’t care and aren’t motivated to be efficient.

I also strongly advised people to automate where it didn’t affect the customer experience, but would help the employee, and adopt protocols that could be tailored as needed for an individualized experience.

AI, used in moderation, and for the tasks it’s best-suited to, is fine. The level at which it’s being integrated/forced into levels of business and society that is absolutely a poor fit is extremely concerning.
 
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flynnibus

Premium Member
I think you missed his point, which was AI was not necessary to get the same, more accurate result.
Yes, you can also etch the message in stone using two pieces of rock. It just takes a lot more effort, and more time.

Using a tool, you can reduce your time needed, you can improve the detail, and possibly get ideas you wouldn't have considered.. all for very little input/cost and all you need to do is review and refine the results.

saying "necessary" here is just a excuse to cut something down. No technology is not "necessary" - but it's whole purpose is to make things quicker and easier. And in this example... it is not strange to doubt someone who would argue they would create some detailed itinary from scratch just to help someone casually. How much time would you really invest in that with what kind of accuracy? 10mins? 20mins? You think you'd spin something up as a touring plan (not just a list of ideas) in brief amount of time randomly? Ok..
 

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