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Universal Epic Universe (South Expansion Complex) - Now Open!

earlthesquirrellover23

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I went to the park yesterday and tried Blue Dragon after hearing that its food was pretty mediocre. To my surprise, I was actually blown away, with the dishes being constructed with high quality ingredients, skilled preparation and a depth of flavor that I did not expect. While the dishes seem simple on the surface, there's a lot of subtle complexity in them that makes this not only a great theme park restaurant, but really one of the better ones you can find around Orlando.
That's wild, I've only heard great things about Blue Dragon so far, cant wait to finally be able to eat there. (I have already tried a drink from there though which was excellent!)
So if they took another year on Stardust and Ministry they wouldn’t be more show ready?
No, not necessarily, they'd probably be at the same point they are at right now, maybe even doing worse because they aren't stress testing with real park guests
 

EeyoreFan#24

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We are efficiently completing the work all at once and are also making additional capacity and throughput enhancements, which is extending the temporary closure period."
The throughput initiative is starting with making it through to unload!

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But realistically I had heard it’s just a bunch of stuff stacking up on itself. (Refurb and maintenance cycle, reliability improvements, general operational improvements, etc.) might as well knock it all out if trying to get to rate for the spring/summer cycle.
 

Comped

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But realistically I had heard it’s just a bunch of stuff stacking up on itself. (Refurb and maintenance cycle, reliability improvements, general operational improvements, etc.) might as well knock it all out if trying to get to rate for the spring/summer cycle.
I heard it was something much more... problematic. They wouldn't keep extending it otherwise.
 

Tom Morrow

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Went this week as a solo right before our bigger family WDW trip. I’ve always known I’ve skewed towards Disney level rides in general, but this visit sealed the deal for me… I probably will get one more visit in to make some final verdicts but here were my thoughts:
  • Monsters was remarkable but I have a really hard time believing they had to use Kuka arms for it. Show scenes and AAs were incredible but I just don’t think Kuka arms are the only vehicle they have to tell this kind of story? Idk

The KUKA arms allow for bringing riders very up-close and personal to the ride scenes because the track is actually on the first floor, allowing the arm to basically "shove" riders right up into whatever it wants them to look at. This not only allows for more intimate show scenes but also lets them get away with not having to theme entire rooms from floor-to-ceiling (ignoring the weird "curtain" moment in Monsters which will hopefully be fixed at some point). You are instead whipped from setpiece to setpiece instead of traversing through fully themed rooms.

In addition to these benefits, it's also a high capacity ride system and typically pretty reliable as they have had 16 years of experience with it at IOA. All in all I think it was a pretty smart choice for a ride where the main point is to bring you face to face with monsters.
  • Helios outside is so visually unappealing to me. It’s not symmetrical, they did very little to the end facades on either side, and it just feels a little odd seeing it lord over the land. Once again idk, mixed feelings

Agreed, it's really unfortunate that Helios is rather "corporate" looking. It is not themed enough to be the centerpiece of the park.
 

DrStarlander

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Helios outside is so visually unappealing to me. It’s not symmetrical, they did very little to the end facades on either side, and it just feels a little odd seeing it lord over the land.
I'm surprised it's such a beige beast, which feels like a corporate chain hotel approach.

I think more color would be better for an in-park hotel. It's a place for whimsy. I love the colors on the Swan & Dolphin at WDW for example.
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There are other Celestial Park colors like bronze and patina green and gold they could have used to make it more interesting and thematic. the building actually has more architectural relief and detail than is apparent because it's all beige and hard to see...if they used different shades/colors they could highlight all that.
 

dmc493

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There are other Celestial Park colors like bronze and patina green and gold they could have used to make it more interesting and thematic
So agree, because I love the visual style of all the small structures in Celestial Park. I thought they knocked that out of the park
 

Tom Morrow

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I guess the thing to remember with Celestial Park is that it's not meant to be hyper themed and ultra immersive. It acts more as a "CityWalk", and a palate cleanser between the portal lands.

Still, Helios needs more thematic detail. Also agreed that something other than beige throughout would go a long way.
 

lazyboy97o

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The idea of the open hub was killed very early in the park’s development and for good reasons. The portals were still designed with the ability to plug in temporary turnstiles, but this was more to facilitate private events.

Hollywood Rip, Ride, Rock It was also considered to have access from CityWalk so that it could remain open after Universal Studios Florida closed. But it never happened because there wasn’t a good price point. Fun Spot charges like $10 for a single roller coaster ride but that’s very much also intended to encourage their unlimited ticket sales. Universal wouldn’t want to be lower than Fun Spot, but a family prolly isn’t going to shell out $50+ for a single ride on a coaster. Opening Celestial Park would introduce similar problems again, but with two attractions. I’m also not sure if they have the infrastructure in place for their own separate admission validation.
 

Purduevian

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The idea of the open hub was killed very early in the park’s development and for good reasons. The portals were still designed with the ability to plug in temporary turnstiles, but this was more to facilitate private events.

Hollywood Rip, Ride, Rock It was also considered to have access from CityWalk so that it could remain open after Universal Studios Florida closed. But it never happened because there wasn’t a good price point. Opening Celestial Park would introduce similar problems again, but with two attractions. I’m also not sure if they have the infrastructure in place for their own separate admission validation.
I believe Stardust and Carousel both have spots to put in turnstiles/facial recognition.

What is the good reason for not allowing non-ticketed guests into Celestial park in the evenings for dinner? Especially if they open up that extra duo restaurant that had the exterior but not interior?
 

lazyboy97o

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I believe Stardust and Carousel both have spots to put in turnstiles/facial recognition.

What is the good reason for not allowing non-ticketed guests into Celestial park in the evenings for dinner? Especially if they open up that extra duo restaurant that had the exterior but not interior?
The plan to have the open hub had it as more of a CityWalk space with more offerings. The restaurants in Celestial Park were planned based on a program intended to serve the park as a whole. Adding in a bunch of extra people means you’ll instantly have insufficient capacity, not just in Celestial Park but also in the other lands. That’s not good for a park that’s already getting a reputation for long waits.

Then there’s the price points and not looking like nickel-and-diming. On top of that you get the added complexity of who can go where.
 

Purduevian

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The plan to have the open hub had it as more of a CityWalk space with more offerings. The restaurants in Celestial Park were planned based on a program intended to serve the park as a whole. Adding in a bunch of extra people means you’ll instantly have insufficient capacity, not just in Celestial Park but also in the other lands. That’s not good for a park that’s already getting a reputation for long waits.

Then there’s the price points and not looking like nickel-and-diming. On top of that you get the added complexity of who can go where.
I've heard lots of capacity issues at EPIC... but F&B hasn't been one of them. Maybe to start they would just let APs into the hub after 6pm or something.

Regarding the added complexity of who can go where... thats why they are adding the facial recognition scanners to the portals.
 

lazyboy97o

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I've heard lots of capacity issues at EPIC... but F&B hasn't been one of them. Maybe to start they would just let APs into the hub after 6pm or something.

Regarding the added complexity of who can go where... thats why they are adding the facial recognition scanners to the portals.
Infrastructure doesn’t help guests understand something.
 

Poseidon Quest

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I've heard lots of capacity issues at EPIC... but F&B hasn't been one of them. Maybe to start they would just let APs into the hub after 6pm or something.

Honestly, yeah, I think AP entry after 4pm would actually work great in the park. I would come in later in the day when it cools down just to eat and maybe get a ride on Monsters and Stardust. I have a feeling that a lot of other APs would be content with that as well. Epic is a great "third space" kind of park and it would be an interesting experiment.
 

Purduevian

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Honestly, yeah, I think AP entry after 4pm would actually work great in the park. I would come in later in the day when it cools down just to eat and maybe get a ride on Monsters and Stardust. I have a feeling that a lot of other APs would be content with that as well. Epic is a great "third space" kind of park and it would be an interesting experiment.
Oh I was thinking they might just let them into Celestial park and not on any rides. Just an opportunity the dine and shop at EPIC and enjoy the fountains/atmosphere. I figured that might be why they are working on the facial recognition portals
 

Andrew25

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It seems like we're not getting AP access for another year or two until additional capacity is added. So, I'm leaning towards an annual "Epic After Dark" add-on ticket that will give you access to Celestial Park after 5PM, with select portal access to HTTYD and Berk. I would also maybe increase the discount temporarily at Atlantic and Blue Dragon to encourage reservations.

Another option is to have an Epic Universe Dining Package for APs that includes a reservation at Atlantic or Blue Dragon, and then access to the rest of the park after your dinner?
 

Poseidon Quest

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Oh I was thinking they might just let them into Celestial park and not on any rides. Just an opportunity the dine and shop at EPIC and enjoy the fountains/atmosphere. I figured that might be why they are working on the facial recognition portals
Ah, I missed how you specifically stated the hub. Even so, from my experience in the park and from checking wait times somewhat frequently, the park does seem to empty out in the second half of the day.

Speaking more broadly to the thread though, this spring break has seemed very light. Certainly not dead, but also nowhere near the overwhelming tourism that Orlando seems to usually get. I think the economy is catching up to people and now with gas prices skyrocketing overnight, I can see a scenario where tourism declines significantly. I can see APs getting access to Epic sometime this year as a response to this as well.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Just got back from our Universal trip yesterday. We basically spent two days at Epic. One full day where we had express pass and two half-days where we did not. We all thought Epic was fabulous. I will try to provide further details this week related to our experience over what was spring break for many.
Alright, so we first visited Epic in the afternoon after some storms rolled through. Probably the best decision because the storms cleared a lot of the guests out (not great for Uni, great for us). So we got there just as wing gliders was coming out of a weather delay so we got to ride that a few times in a row. Lines were also short for Bowsers Challenge so we did that once (people are right when they say it takes one go through to understand how to really do this ride properly). Monsters unchained probably ties for my favorite in the park and it was consistency between 10-15 minutes. At one point later in the evening there was no line at all, so team members asked if we just wanted to ride again before we even got out of our seats. My 7-year-old absolutely loved this ride. Her favorite by far and even came home with a creature from the black lagoon plush. Towards the end of the night, Battle was only a 45-minute wait so we jumped at the chance. Freakin awesome IMO. As I said, we really lucked out due to the storms that afternoon and evening.

Another day we spent the whole day there, the day we had express pass. We rope dropped to meet Toothless since that was not included, and then did wing gliders and racers rally. I would say Isle of Berk is probably my favorite of the portals. Stunning IMO. And it helps that that my family are fans of these movies. Lines were very long this day, so it was great to have express pass and we were able to enjoy all attractions and more.

Finally we spent another morning there without express, where we were still able to do several rides, lots of magic spells, Nintendo stuff and just enjoy the atmosphere. The street performers (i.e.: Igor, the students in Paris, etc.) really add a lot to the portals. Overall thoughts were that we thoroughly enjoyed our time there. Each portal has its own charm, the food is superior to much of what they offer at other parks, including at WDW, and Celestial Park is a great hub IMO...and the scores are outstanding. I know some people complained about sightlines, but I honestly did not particularly notice them. If I specifically looked, I am sure I would, but it did not impact my experience. I definitely noticed some of areas they had blocked off for concrete repair. Definitely unfortunate and annoying, although I did see some active work going on in these areas for some. Also, the actual portal to Isle of Berk is closed so we had to use the side entrance. I wonder if that has to do facial technology enhancements others mentioned?

IMO, Universal has definitely stepped up their game with this one. The details, the kinetic energy, and the extras are just great, and I am glad they are making efforts to expand to help with some of the longer lines. If you intend to use IP, do it this way.
 

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