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[nickys]

They don’t even have that as an option. WDW has a Michelin Star restaurant, once Napa Rose fully reopens and can get reviewed I bet DL is going to have one too. Again, zero reason things at DLP shouldn’t be leagues better.

WDW is a destination resort. DLP much less so. The hotels are not resorts, and no one expects them to be.

How long would a Michelin starred restaurant last at DLP? Disney Village is tiny, Even attempting it would be laughable. They’d need people to visit from Paris to have a hope of surviving, which just isn’t going to happen.

 

[Touchdown]

WDW is a destination resort. DLP much less so. The hotels are not resorts, and no one expects them to be.

How long would a Michelin starred restaurant last at DLP? Disney Village is tiny, Even attempting it would be laughable. They’d need people to visit from Paris to have a hope of surviving, which just isn’t going to happen.

If it’s not a destination and no one from Paris goes there, who does? Your argument makes no sense. DLR isn’t a destination place for the most part either but has far better food. From what I’m told ditto for TDL. They can and should be putting a better effort in food here it is by far the biggest detriment that resort has.

 

[Chi84]

If it’s not a destination and no one from Paris goes there, who does? Your argument makes no sense. DLR isn’t a destination place for the most part either but has far better food. From what I’m told ditto for TDL. They can and should be putting a better effort in food here it is by far the biggest detriment that resort has.

You may have misunderstood. Of course tourists go to DLP but the destination is Paris rather than the Disney property specifically.

There are many tourists who go to Orlando and never leave WDW so there is more market for an upscale restaurant on property.

 

[nickys]

People go there to visit Disney theme parks. Most stay a night or two; if they want to visit Paris they stay in Paris. They don’t go to spend a whole week, looking for fine dining and evening entertainment- other than hotel lounges or the sports bar & “English pub” in the Village.

In contrast, Europeans who visit WDW go for a couple of weeks, mix up theme parks, swimming, shopping, eating out. Whether on or offsite it’s a vacation. DLP is a short break.

If you visit a major European capital city, renowned for its food, arts, churches and museums, most people dine there. Not at a theme park outside the city.

If you live there, you’re not likely to say “let’s go on the train to Disney for dinner” when you have so many restaurants in the city.

 

[Touchdown]

Your explanations fall apart when DLR has far better choices then DLP they have similar guest makeups. Food was the one thing that disappointed me about the resort, I was hoping for better then WDW TS and DLR QS (but with less quality obviously) I got neither. I easily prefer DLR over DLP food options.

 

[nickys]

You may have misunderstood. Of course tourists go to DLP but the destination is Paris rather than the Disney property specifically.

There are many tourists who go to Orlando and never leave WDW so there is more market for an upscale restaurant on property.

Hmmmm, I don’t agree with your first paragraph.

Many people go to DLP and only DLP. They go specifically for the Disney parks. One night or two.

Hundreds of thousands, millions probably, of tourists visit Paris and never set foot in DLP. And even a Michelin starred restaurant isn’t going to change that.

A few do both. Tourists visit Paris and, being Disney parks fans, decide to do a day trip or add on a side trip to DLP.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

You may have misunderstood. Of course tourists go to DLP but the destination is Paris rather than the Disney property specifically.

There are many tourists who go to Orlando and never leave WDW so there is more market for an upscale restaurant on property.

DLP is itself a destination. Many Europeans will take the train to Disneyland Paris for a couple of days and then go home.

For me, I spent my entire time in France staying on or near Disneyland property and just took the train into Paris to see the sights and climb the tower of course. I ate 2 meals in Paris, everything else was on or near Disney property.

 

[Chi84]

Hmmmm, I don’t agree with your first paragraph.

Many people go to DLP and only DLP. They go specifically for the Disney parks. One night or two.

Hundreds of thousands, millions probably, of tourists visit Paris and never set foot in DLP. And even a Michelin starred restaurant isn’t going to change that.

A few do both. Tourists visit Paris and, being Disney parks fans, decide to do a day trip or add on a side trip to DLP.

Ahh. I was thinking in terms of my own experience. Thanks for clarifying.

Your posts are always so informative.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

While the percentages change - all Disney properties have a mix of 1-day guests all the way up to 1 week+ resort guests and everything in between.

I do think WDW is unique in having a decent amount of visitors who stay 2-4 weeks at a time. While it’s still a minority, it’s probably very rare at the other resorts.

 

[Pizza Moon]

There is no reason that DLP food shouldn’t be the best food in the world, it’s in France and right next to Paris. It’s definitely not that, Remys was good not great, the Mickey pizza in fantasyland everyone raved about online was barely acceptable, and the steak place I went to in Downtown Disney was again good not great. The only thing that was amazing was the breakfast in the club lounge at DL Hotel.

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Disneyland Hotel has always had amazing food thankfully!

Totally right, we can and should expect more.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I will partly defend Pecos Bills. In the last few years, some of the food there has been reasonably decent. In the past, I've had decent salads there, and somewhat recently they had a menu item called a tamale that wasn't too bad. It wasn't as good or authentic as tamales I've had elsewhere, but it tasted pretty good. I was there just a few weeks ago though, no salads or tamales. They dumbed down the menu again. Today I checked again, and it looks like the salad is back.

On the flip, most recent times I've been to several of MK's other quick serves they were terrible.

Last month, the food at Connections was not very good either. We git a pizza - not great, a salad - fried chicken was just same kind of breaded chicken WDW has elsewhere, and they forgot to give us the mandarins in our order. Baumkuchen was rather dry. It looks like Japanese crepe cake, so I expected it to taste like crepe cake. As it happens, for Lunar New Year local grocery store had excellent crepe cake. It was SO good it tasted like it had just come from a bakery. Maybe I'm spoiled.

For me, a highlight of WDW food is the festival offerings. The 2026 Art Fest foods weren't as good as prior years, but they were still pretty good! Some of the offerings for the upcoming festival look good. Last year, the strawberry shortcake was great and I see it is back again this year. I also suggest the veggie offering at the honey booth, or at leat prior years were great.

Another hidden gem is the smoked turkey sandwich at WL Roaring Forks. WL still has their own smoker.

I've also had some great food offsite, and Universal has some very good places. Confisco Grill used to be so-so, but the last two times I've been the food has been very good! (Universal still has a few bombs, so not perfect). The breakfast at Stella Nova is very good.

A perennial problem for me is the lack of vegetables at WDW. Even at high end places like Topolino's. The menu says the entree has carrots, but what arrives is like one tiny carrot and weird smudge of mystery puree. That doesn't cut it. I now bring my own fruit to WDW just to have some produce, which is kind of crazy.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

A perennial problem for me is the lack of vegetables at WDW.

I agree - it would be nice to have a baked potato even! Disneyland still has them sometimes at the little stand next to fantasyland theatre but I don’t know any quick service that still offers them at WDW.

I did have some excellent carrots, mashed potatoes and broccoli at the Food court at Riverside though. The carrots were a “seasonal vegetable” so I don’t think they are always available but they were crazy good.

 

[Pizza Moon]

I will partly defend Pecos Bills. In the last few years, some of the food there has been reasonably decent. In the past, I've had decent salads there, and somewhat recently they had a menu item called a tamale that wasn't too bad. It wasn't as good or authentic as tamales I've had elsewhere, but it tasted pretty good. I was there just a few weeks ago though, no salads or tamales. They dumbed down the menu again. Today I checked again, and it looks like the salad is back.

On the flip, most recent times I've been to several of MK's other quick serves they were terrible.

Last month, the food at Connections was not very good either. We git a pizza - not great, a salad - fried chicken was just same kind of breaded chicken WDW has elsewhere, and they forgot to give us the mandarins in our order. Baumkuchen was rather dry. It looks like Japanese crepe cake, so I expected it to taste like crepe cake. As it happens, for Lunar New Year local grocery store had excellent crepe cake. It was SO good it tasted like it had just come from a bakery. Maybe I'm spoiled.

For me, a highlight of WDW food is the festival offerings. The 2026 Art Fest foods weren't as good as prior years, but they were still pretty good! Some of the offerings for the upcoming festival look good. Last year, the strawberry shortcake was great and I see it is back again this year. I also suggest the veggie offering at the honey booth, or at leat prior years were great.

Another hidden gem is the smoked turkey sandwich at WL Roaring Forks. WL still has their own smoker.

I've also had some great food offsite, and Universal has some very good places. Confisco Grill used to be so-so, but the last two times I've been the food has been very good! (Universal still has a few bombs, so not perfect). The breakfast at Stella Nova is very good.

A perennial problem for me is the lack of vegetables at WDW. Even at high end places like Topolino's. The menu says the entree has carrots, but what arrives is like one tiny carrot and weird smudge of mystery puree. That doesn't cut it. I now bring my own fruit to WDW just to have some produce, which is kind of crazy.

It’s bad.

It’s just bad.

I genuinely don’t comprehend how someone could eat there when Columbia Harbour House exists.

I mean even Casey’s Corner it’s hard to screw up corn dogs.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I will partly defend Pecos Bills.

You want to defend this….

Along with the empty topping bar - which is the definition of bad show and proves how the manager of this location and land does not care at all.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Must admit that I am not sure I find myself agreeing with much that is being said about Disneyland Paris dining.

On the one hand, I don't find the food terrible and think there are plenty of good as well as not-so-good options. Walt's is a particular favourite.

On the other, I think there's plenty of appetite for elevated dining at the resort. This may change once the new restaurants at Disney's Adventure World open, but one thing the resort has been bad at is keeping up with demand for table service dining. I am not sure a more fine dining experience at the hotels or Disney Village would be a huge success (though who knows), but I do think one or two more restaurants at Walt's level or maybe between Walt's and La Forêt Secrète in the parks would do well. A Michelin star seems irrelevant in that equation, to be honest.

Curious to know how La Forêt Secrète is doing, on that note. I enjoyed my visit in December, but it is by nature something that very few people can experience.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I don’t know whose type of food Pecos is serving - my last experience there made Pizzarizzo and Restrauntosauras seem “high quality” haha.

But yes Tiffins and Nomad are such crazy good experiences. Pretty close to club 33 for us peasants!

I actually like Pecos Bill right now!

I did not like it in the inbetween period before they changed the menu/after they got rid of the toppings bar. That was rough

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I actually like Pecos Bill right now!

What’s good there right now? The photos I posted were from July - that was easily the worst meal I’ve had at WDW in a long time.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Speaking of food. I went to Grand Floridian Cafe for brunch and ordered french toast. You'd think they'd serve real butter and warm maple syrup...but not.

I get margarine and maple flavored corn syrup.

I didn't make a scene, but I asked for real maple syrup and butter. The CM said both are real. "That is butter." I said, no, they aren't. She again said they were. Finally I just said I had an allergy and one of the chefs came out with the real stuff, apologizing. When the CM came back, she said, "I had no idea there were 2 kinds of butter."

I mean, come on. I understand some people have no taste buds, but your flagship "brunch" restaurant can't even use real butter? This genuinely irritates me. Just charge more - not like you care about jacking up prices. I'll pay for it - just don't give me garbage.

 

[Chi84]

Speaking of food. I went to Grand Floridian Cafe for brunch and ordered french toast. You'd think they'd serve real butter and warm maple syrup...but not.

I get margarine and maple flavored corn syrup.

I didn't make a scene, but I asked for real maple syrup and butter. The CM said both are real. "That is butter." I said, no, they aren't. She again said they were. Finally I just said I had an allergy and one of the chefs came out with the real stuff, apologizing. When the CM came back, she said, "I had no idea there were 2 kinds of butter."

I mean, come on. I understand some people have no taste buds, but your flagship "brunch" restaurant can't even use real butter? This genuinely irritates me. Just charge more - not like you care about jacking up prices. I'll pay for it - just don't give me garbage.

Even if I could understand how much you wanted real butter, you really shouldn’t fake allergies.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Even if I could understand how much you wanted real butter, you really shouldn’t fake allergies.

I literally can't eat it - so it's an allergy to garbage.

Honestly, what is the downside to saying it's an allergy?

1) It's an allergy, I get an alternative.

2) It's not really an allergy, I get the alternative.