MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

[lentesta]

if permits like this are being filed, the plans surely have to be in a place where they could do this?

I hear there's still wiggle room?

 

[britain]

I hear there's still wiggle room?

If Walt could have the Imagineers build a boat flume in the basement intended for a Pirates walkthrough, they can take this cleared land with only the power and sewer lines settled upon and build around those very minor parameters.

 

[Stripes]

@lazyboy97o Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t potable water system permits (new permit) require more accurate building footprints than wastewater system permits (previous permit)?

 

[doctornick]

AS THE PROPHECIES FORETOLD

(Jk on a train and haven't had a chance to look)

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New permits with a larger building is definitely a positive - implies that whatever is planned for the northeast building (suspected to be the indoor ride so tentatively a Maleficent boat ride) is larger in scale than previous. My questions regarding the plans are this:

1. are there other building potentially other than what is listed? I 'm under the impression this is a water permit so if a building doesn't impact the water runnoff then perhaps it might not be listed. Because I wonder if there the shops/any food/bathrooms/etc will be included in these buildings or could they be still to come. There's a massive amount of open space in the middle and it is hard to believe that would be "only" trees and pathways

2. Is the restaurant with show in the same building as the boat ride, as was suggested? And, if so, does it "peer into" the ride at all? Something like Blue Bayou or San Angel Inn where you can see part of the ride show from the restaurant would be pretty cool.

3. Is the building on the tracks in the north a show scene or a new station? Or both? Or something else like restrooms, shops, etc

4. Where does the coast tracks go? Is it entirely internal to the western building? If there is a signifant outdoor portion does it go southeast into the land proper? Or more west/southwest into what is currently backstage land? I could see arguments for either - in the land allows for a kinetic element by then has to be themed and integrated (and there would need to be caution with going over any guest areas for dropped items); going outside the land allows for more flexibility in what is built and more leway in having some unthemed elements that cannot be seen so saving money that can be spent directly on the ride experience.

5. Is there going to be any other food service beyond the main sitdown. A lesser table service (probably not)? A quick serve? Given how far back it is, I would like to think there would be some sort of counter service available with substantial food (not just snacks).

5. Where is the flat ride? If it wereadded, would think we might see a plot for it on these maps but it's not obvious that there is anything new.

 

[aladdin2007]

I hear there's still wiggle room?

is the facility box between the two big ones considered the train station?

 

[DrStarlander]

Here's a second layout flipping Hades/retail and the dark ride. In this layout the dark ride now gets the potable water but I don't see a connection for Hades, so not sure about that.

I’d like to know how the show building size for the boat ride compares to Shangai POTC.

The HM show building is about 40k and Shanghai Pirates is about 130-135k I think. So neither building looks quite as big. The east odd-shaped building is bigger but because the west building didn't have potable water I thought maybe the restaurant would have to be on the east.

 

[Stripes]

Here's a second layout flipping Hades/retail and the dark ride. In this layout the dark ride now gets the potable water but I don't see a connection for Hades, so not sure about that.

I suspect the restaurant and dark ride will be integrated into the same multi-level facility.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I suspect the restaurant and dark ride will be integrated into the same multi-level facility.

Multilevel Shanghai DL style boat ride?

 

[neo999955]

I hear there's still wiggle room?

I may be off, but I would assume these different options they've been exploring have all been under development for quite some time and likely with a general understanding of land's shape and layout (e.g. space, traffic flows, major attraction sites, plumbing etc.) With that different teams can put work on varied singular attractions or experiences while the higher ups can somewhat assemble what they like (potentially plussing one attraction or swapping another for a more expensive version).

Pivots to be "bigger and bolder" and perhaps more "family friendly" can be handled without too much delay because they have the different pieces ready for assembly. Either way, it's the same prep work at this stage.

 

[drkarcher22]

I think it’s hilarious that people argued tooth and nail that Princess and the Frog shouldn’t be the theme of a thrill ride, but also want a VelociCoaster level coaster themed to a character from Sleeping Beauty.

I don’t think anyone was expecting that, I do think people were expecting something along the lines of Everest. A family ride with some thrill

 

[lazyboy97o]

if permits like this are being filed, the plans surely have to be in a place where they could do this?

@lazyboy97o Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t potable water system permits (new permit) require more accurate building footprints than wastewater system permits (previous permit)?

This is where the use of fast-track project delivery, starting construction before design work is complete, can come into play. While the drawings show connection points, they are more diagrammatic and not specifically dimensioned. The buildings are largely being shown for context. There’s no need to know anything about those buildings beyond their footprint so what’s in them doesn’t even need to be fully known beyond general use. Also, modifying permits isn’t really an issue. The labor costs of modifying the documents are much greater than the administrative fees by the reviewing authorities.

1. are there other building potentially other than what is listed? I 'm under the impression this is a water permit so if a building doesn't impact the water runnoff then perhaps it might not be listed. Because I wonder if there the shops/any food/bathrooms/etc will be included in these buildings or could they be still to come. There's a massive amount of open space in the middle and it is hard to believe that would be "only" trees and pathways

These permits relate to water but not water management. In terms of water management, the entire site is permitted that it could be one big building or completely paved over. But also, even those small buildings impact water runoff, require appropriate grading and would be shown in a water management permit that is based on specific buildings and hardscape. They also need water connections. It’s actually quite curious that the large building over the railroad right-of-way does not have a nearby potable water connection.

 

[Timothy_Q]

These permits relate to water but not water management. In terms of water management, the entire site is permitted that it could be one big building or completely paved over. But also, even those small buildings impact water runoff, require appropriate grading and would be shown in a water management permit that is based on specific buildings and hardscape. They also need water connections. It’s actually quite curious that the large building over the railroad right-of-way does not have a nearby potable water connection.

Would a spinner be shown in a permit like this?
Assuming the latest reports are true and a spinner is indeed part of the roster now

 

[doctornick]

These permits relate to water but not water management. In terms of water management, the entire site is permitted that it could be one big building or completely paved over. But also, even those small buildings impact water runoff, require appropriate grading and would be shown in a water management permit that is based on specific buildings and hardscape. They also need water connections. It’s actually quite curious that the large building over the railroad right-of-way does not have a nearby potable water connection.

What would define it as "nearby" to the potable water? The large buildig over the current train trains seems as close to the water main along its northeast side as the other larger building is to the water pipes. Pardon my ignorance, but couldn't it have water connections enter from the side of building as a supply?

 

[Stripes]

Multilevel Shanghai DL style boat ride?

We know the system is more than capable of elevation changes. If money is no object…

 

[DrStarlander]

It’s actually quite curious that the large building over the railroad right-of-way does not have a nearby potable water connection.

I thought this was odd too. Even if it was intended as a show building for a dry dark ride, it kind of surprises me there wouldn't be a one-stall cast restroom in the building, or even an eye-wash station for maintenance workers.

 

[JD80]

Do we have any similar drawings available for the rest of the park when it comes to water/waste management? I'm curious how the rest of the park tracks with water lines and hydrant access. Could be a way to determine walkways and access points for emergency vehicles etc.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Would a spinner be shown in a permit like this?
Assuming the latest reports are true and a spinner is indeed part of the roster now

Most likely because there is still going to be either a lower level or remote machine room that the lines need to avoid and supply. I can’t imagine Disney would build such a space without sprinklers and they need a water supply.

What would define it as "nearby" to the potable water? The large buildig over the current train trains seems as close to the water main along its northeast side as the other larger building is to the water pipes. Pardon my ignorance, but couldn't it have water connections enter from the side of building as a supply?

It’s not that it’s not close enough to connect, it’s that a connection isn’t called out. If you look at all of the other facilities there is a little stub next to them labeled “FACILITY POC”.

I thought this was odd too. Even if it was intended as a show building for a dry dark ride, it kind of surprises me there wouldn't be a one-stall cast restroom in the building, or even an eye-wash station for maintenance workers.

Large attractions also usually also have their own break rooms with a small kitchenette. There’s also drinking fountains (for guests and Cast) and fire sprinklers. It could be an error but it seems like a big error. It’s just such a large facility to not have any sort of water connection.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Looking at the plans, it strikes me that Disney is building yet another dead end. Monster Land, Animation Courtyard, and here - it’s just unappealing, impractical design.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Mansion Pirates, Alien Encounter and the original Snow White's Adventures would strongly disagree with that. The first Silly Symphony was about dancing skeletons in a graveyard BTW.

And where are all those rides now? Except of course Mansion and Pirates (both of which have reasons why they never got too spooky)

 

[mysto]

Speaking of the site plans, do we have any idea if the most northern rectangular building on the train tracks is a new station (seems most likely) vs perhaps a show scene for the train? Any rumors?

3. Is the building on the tracks in the north a show scene or a new station? Or both? Or something else like restrooms, shops, etc

Looking at the plans, it strikes me that Disney is building yet another dead end. Monster Land, Animation Courtyard, and here - it’s just unappealing, impractical design.

What if it's not a dead end, what if there's a small gate there? Like the epcot international gateway. I noticed that building and had a strange thought, it could be a skyliner station. There's a line coming out of it that's dead straight and not aligned with the tracks, like a cable. There could be room for tapstyles, perhaps gondolas to lakeshore resort.