News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, and it would be a difficult conflict for a new CEO to navigate. Especially one that who's biggest criticism is not having Hollywood experience.

Exactly, which if anything I could see them wanting to go bigger, but not a slashing of the budget. Which makes cancelling even less likely, don’t want to upset your number one Hollywood asset.

 

[coffeefan]

Exactly, which if anything I could see them wanting to go bigger, but not a slashing of the budget. Which makes cancelling even less likely, don’t want to upset your number one Hollywood asset.

If TDA did want to test Pandora first on a safer bet, I would suggest replacing Star Tours with Avatar Flight of Passage. That would get people excited for more Avatar.

 

[mickEblu]

Again the amount of comments is a very low percentage compared to how many go to the Resort. So while it might be the “majority” of comments that is not the majority of guests. Positive commenters aren’t really a thing in these type of cases, social media is a hive of negativity and doesn’t represent reality.

And as has been said there is a real “hate” campaign for Avatar in general on social media.

They represent the majority of people who have an opinion. “Most guests” don’t have an opinion either way. It appears that the majority of the “biggest fans” demo would prefer something else.

Why is there a hate campaign? What do people have against fake blue aliens?

Anyway, you better hope someone with some say hasn’t seen the feedback and doesn’t (or hasn’t already realized) they could spend half the amount of money on other attractions in that very spot that would sell more merch.

You kind have to commend Disney if they go through with Avatar there (aside from the fact it’s not a perfect fit and would be a better product in Simba). It’s clearly not the cheapest nor the path of least resistance.

 

[Disney Irish]

They represent the majority of people who have an opinion. “Most guests” don’t have an opinion either way. It appears that the majority of the “biggest fans” demo would prefer something else.

Why is there a hate campaign? What do people have against fake blue aliens?

Anyway, you better hope someone with some say hasn’t seen the feedback and doesn’t (or hasn’t already realized) they could spend half the amount of money on other attractions in that very spot that would sell more merch.

You kind have to commend Disney if they go through with Avatar there (aside from the fact it’s not a perfect fit and would be a better product in Simba). It’s clearly not the cheapest nor the path of least resistance.

Except that isn’t really a representation of anything. I could literally for a couple bucks buy 10k bots to make positive comments right now and that would change the “majority” to being positive. I’m not going to do it because Disney like most companies doesn’t look that closely at the various comments and looks at social media in an aggregate along with the box office.

As for why there is a “hate” campaign, dunno. Some is to bring down Cameron, some is the anti-Disney crap, and some just like to be contrarian and go against what is popular at the box office.

Anyways I really doubt that Bob and Josh are viewing social media posts and they would be the ones making the decision here.

 

[mickEblu]

Except that isn’t really a representation of anything. I could literally for a couple bucks buy 10k bots to make positive comments right now and that would change the “majority” to being positive. I’m not going to do it because Disney like most companies doesn’t look that closely at the various comments and looks at social media in an aggregate along with the box office.

As for why there is a “hate” campaign, dunno. Some is to bring down Cameron, some is the anti-Disney crap, and some just like to be contrarian and go against what is popular at the box office.

Anyways I really doubt that Bob and Josh are viewing social media posts and they would be the ones making the decision here.

Ok so let’s forget about the social media comments which I think you are severely discounting. It’s hard to argue the fact that a Zootopia or Monsters attraction in that plot would cost much less, sell more merch and create more buzz. That’s why I say Disney should be commended if they do build Avatar there. It indicates to me that they re confident and believe in this project despite the constraints and feedback. If the land and boat ride turn out anything like we think it can I don’t think any of these people commenting on socal media will still say they’d rather have a Zootopia ride.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok so let’s forget about the social media comments which I think you are severely discounting. It’s hard to argue the fact that a Zootopia or Monsters attraction in that plot would cost much less, sell more merch and create more buzz. That’s why I say Disney should be commended if they do build Avatar there. It indicates to me that they re confident and believe in this project despite the constraints and feedback. If the land and boat ride turn out anything like we think it can I don’t think any of these people commenting on socal media will still say they’d rather have a Zootopia ride.

Well I don’t think we can say Zootopia or Monsters would be cheaper, as I’d assume it would be just as ambitious as Avatar, because cheapening out on either would be torn apart by everyone. But I would agree they might sell more merch, but I don’t think merch is the number one priority in this situation.

Also I’m not discounting social media, I’m just saying it’s not really representative of what you think it is. It has to be taken in context and not at face value, as social media can be easily manipulated. It’s why companies don’t look at individual or even groups of comments, they look at it in the aggregate like I mentioned.

Either way I don’t think we have to worry about them not building Avatar, as much as that is an interesting thought experiment, it’s gonna happen.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Put me on the record as someone more excited about Avatar than any of the other stuff.

Some of y'all have never seen Pandora and it shows.

I stand by what I said before that the Avatar ride is more likely to surprise in a positive way than anything else.

Especially when compared to...what exactly? An Avengers ride that I've never cared about and a Coco ride that-while I'm looking forward to it-could easily picture it underwhelming, especially because they just can't stop comparing the thing to Pirates.

So yeah, that's the ride I'm looking forward to most. If others don't agree, so be it.

 

[mickEblu]

Well I don’t think we can say Zootopia or Monsters would be cheaper, as I’d assume it would be just as ambitious as Avatar, because cheapening out on either would be torn apart by everyone. But I would agree they might sell more merch, but I don’t think merch is the number one priority in this situation.

Also I’m not discounting social media, I’m just saying it’s not really representative of what you think it is. It has to be taken in context and not at face value, as social media can be easily manipulated. It’s why companies don’t look at individual or even groups of comments, they look at it in the aggregate like I mentioned.

Either way I don’t think we have to worry about them not building Avatar, as much as that is an interesting thought experiment, it’s gonna happen.

It can be easily manipulated but that doesn’t mean it is. Comments seem genuine to me. And again who has time for an Avatar to DCA hate campaign? For what purpose? Anyway, hopefully it doesn’t get cancelled. Not to say I wouldn’t be happy if it was moved to the Simba lot even if it takes a little longer.

 

[mickEblu]

Put me on the record as someone more excited about Avatar than any of the other stuff.

Some of y'all have never seen Pandora and it shows.

I stand by what I said before that the Avatar ride is more likely to surprise in a positive way than anything else.

Especially when compared to...what exactly? An Avengers ride that I've never cared about and a Coco ride that-while I'm looking forward to it-could easily picture it underwhelming, especially because they just can't stop comparing the thing to Pirates.

So yeah, that's the ride I'm looking forward to most. If others don't agree, so be it.

Who’s yall? I’m the only one talking about this right now on this thread? Me?

 

[PiratesMansion]

Who’s yall? I’m the only one talking about this right now on this thread? Me?

If you want to make it all about you, sure I guess.

 

[mickEblu]

If you want to make it all about you, sure I guess.

Here you go doing that thing again. Where did I mention that I wasn’t excited for Avatar or that it likely won’t turn out great. I’ve explicitly said the opposite.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Here you go doing that thing again. Where did I mention that I wasn’t excited for Avatar or that it likely won’t turn out great. I’ve explicitly said the opposite.

And here you go again making it all about you when it wasn't.

Whatever. Not engaging with this, it's a waste of my time.

YAY AVATAR!!!

 

[mickEblu]

And here you go again making it all about you when it wasn't.

Whatever. Not engaging with this, it's a waste of my time.

YAY AVATAR!!!

lol I’m clearly who you are talking to and you admitted you are at least partially talking to me. You’re just assuming I want it cancelled based on some of my theories which is why you didn’t directly quote me. Because there is nothing to quote. Because you are talking to the air again.

 

[Disney Irish]

It can be easily manipulated but that doesn’t mean it is. Comments seem genuine to me. And again who has time for an Avatar to DCA hate campaign? For what purpose? Anyway, hopefully it doesn’t get cancelled. Not to say I wouldn’t be happy if it was moved to the Simba lot even if it takes a little longer.

Yes it doesn't mean it is manipulated, but the fact is that is still can be.

You'd be surprised how much social media is manipulated every day, there are people who's whole living is made off of manipulating social media. As for the purposes, any number of things, everything from a consorted effort to get a project cancelled all the way down to just for kicks.

The point being is that just because it seems "genuine" to you doesn't mean it is. The algorithm will also push specific feeds your way just because you had searched on something or viewed another similar post and hide others. So there could very well be thousands of positive comments on the project that you just aren't seeing.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Put me on the record as someone more excited about Avatar than any of the other stuff.

Some of y'all have never seen Pandora and it shows.

I stand by what I said before that the Avatar ride is more likely to surprise in a positive way than anything else.

Especially when compared to...what exactly? An Avengers ride that I've never cared about and a Coco ride that-while I'm looking forward to it-could easily picture it underwhelming, especially because they just can't stop comparing the thing to Pirates.

So yeah, that's the ride I'm looking forward to most. If others don't agree, so be it.

I'm with you.

I feel there's far more space for originality with Avatar over the many IP's others suggest. I feel real excitement knowing how bold they can go, and also how gorgeous the environments are they can build.

For me, Avatar feels far more original and less of an "IP brand land" like a Zootopia, Monsters Inc, or Moana would be.

It feels more real, enticing to explore, and there's even room for a dash of danger / thrill.

 

[ToEarthandback]

I'm with you.

I feel there's far more space for originality with Avatar over the many IP's others suggest. I feel real excitement knowing how bold they can go, and also how gorgeous the environments are they can build.

For me, Avatar feels far more original and less of an "IP brand land" like a Zootopia, Monsters Inc, or Moana would be.

It feels more real, enticing to explore, and there's even room for a dash of danger / thrill.

I think a proper well executed Avatar land would sell great at DLR, but I also agree that where they are planning to put it is about the worst place conceivable. To do it right, use the DLF space without all of the constraints (size, transitions)

 

[Disney Irish]

I think a proper well executed Avatar land would sell great at DLR, but I also agree that where they are planning to put it is about the worst place conceivable. To do it right, use the DLF space without all of the constraints (size, transitions)

While I don't think anyone disagrees that it might be better suited in one of the DLForward plots so it can be larger and grander, that does mean it gets pushed off potential far into the future. And its clear they want to add this now while the movies are still in theaters making over $1B+. So unless they are going to accelerate DLForward to start before the end of this decade I just don't see any alternative but to put it into the Backlot plot.

I will add also that WDI used to thrive with similar constraints in DLR, and I don't see why they can't again. So I think this gives WDI an opportunity to show what they can do when they don't have the benefit of unlimited space.

 

[DLR92]

I feel Avatar needs to be at Disneyland. I put my two cents in a survey about Avatar in DC- done in the past.

 

[Disney Irish]

I feel Avatar needs to be at Disneyland. I put my two cents in a survey about Avatar in DC- done in the past.

Where though? And at the cost of what? And its still going to be constrained by limited space even at DL.

 

[DLR92]

Where though? And at the cost of what? And it’s still going to be constrained by limited space even at DL.

If Disney showed Disneyland boundaries to go against Ball Road above Star Wars. Yes, their land constraint. Plus the parcels Autopia and the Submarine occupies.