Lightning Lane Premier Pass

[Jrb1979]

You act like Disney is unique in doing this when it comes to a true top tier skip the line system. No offense but they pretty much were the last to the party doing this when they could have capitalized on this a long time ago… they sent countless surveys out and knew what their guests were willing to pay and who was willing to pay it. It provides a direct positive impact on people experiences hence why people have boughten the product…. And yes im aware of the documentary but if you think lines magically disappear if you get rid of all of these services i have a bridge for sale that runs from Bklyn to SI…

Now the AH events i would agree with you as it takes away from the experience during as you said a price we paid already because it intentionally reduces hours (granted not daily) but to me park hours need to increase. Thats my biggest problem with them.

You say that all the time about lines disappearing. The point of getting rid of the skip the line system is then standby would move more consistently. My issue is with this product and has always been that way is too many people have it. Everyone brings up Universal and other parks that have similar systems. Difference is they limited to the point that it doesn't affect standby that much.
While it has improved with changes to DAS, it could be a lot better. I still maintain that Premier pass should be the only option along with VIP.

 

[Splash4eva]

You say that all the time about lines disappearing. The point of getting rid of the skip the line system is then standby would move more consistently. My issue is with this product and has always been that way is too many people have it. Everyone brings up Universal and other parks that have similar systems. Difference is they limited to the point that it doesn't affect standby that much.
While it has improved with changes to DAS, it could be a lot better. I still maintain that Premier pass should be the only option along with VIP.

Thats fine. So eliminate the service for the people who cant afford the top tier. What happens next? The masses come attacking Disney for only catering to the 1% and the rich…. We both know that.

And you and everyone say the same about lines moving consistently. End of day is this. 30 minutes. 45 minutes. 60 minutes. Is still in fact 30/45/60 minutes whether its a stop and go or a constant flow. So perception may be hey the line moved quicker but reality. No it didnt. You didnt save any time. You may think you did but you didnt. Also. A line that has stoppages potentially helps people who wants to say eat a snack or drink something easier then a constant moving line.

 

[Andrew C]

Thats fine. So eliminate the service for the people who cant afford the top tier. What happens next? The masses come attacking Disney for only catering to the 1% and the rich…. We both know that.

And you and everyone say the same about lines moving consistently. End of day is this. 30 minutes. 45 minutes. 60 minutes. Is still in fact 30/45/60 minutes whether its a stop and go or a constant flow. So perception may be hey the line moved quicker but reality. No it didnt. You didnt save any time. You may think you did but you didnt. Also. A line that has stoppages potentially helps people who wants to say eat a snack or drink something easier then a constant moving line.

My stance has been, get rid of all skip the line systems except premier pass. And then adjust the pricing of premier accordingly. Would still be expensive, but that is the point. Make sure use is somewhat limited. And at the same time, include it at no additional cost for guests staying at the monorail hotels at MK only, and include it for guests stays at the Epcot deluxe hotels at Epcot and DHS only.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Thats fine. So eliminate the service for the people who cant afford the top tier. What happens next? The masses come attacking Disney for only catering to the 1% and the rich…. We both know that.

And you and everyone say the same about lines moving consistently. End of day is this. 30 minutes. 45 minutes. 60 minutes. Is still in fact 30/45/60 minutes whether its a stop and go or a constant flow. So perception may be hey the line moved quicker but reality. No it didnt. You didnt save any time. You may think you did but you didnt. Also. A line that has stoppages potentially helps people who wants to say eat a snack or drink something easier then a constant moving line.

The masses that were treated as equals for the first 50-ish years that WDW was around until some Bob guy decided they were cows that needed to be milked, but if they now took away the milking that would make people outraged?

When did society become so entitled that they decided they were too good to have to wait for anything? Disney theme park attractions were designed to hold people. Some even told a story while in the queue! Nah, just skip that crap and let me do my ride commando thing because I'm entitled to!

 

[Naplesgolfer]

The masses that were treated as equals for the first 50-ish years that WDW was around until some Bob guy decided they were cows that needed to be milked, but if they now took away the milking that would make people outraged?

When did society become so entitled that they decided they were too good to have to wait for anything? Disney theme park attractions were designed to hold people. Some even told a story while in the queue! Nah, just skip that crap and let me do my ride commando thing because I'm entitled to!

But you seem to be making a moral judgement because someone pays money to have a shorter line. Do you make the same judgement at concerts for people paying to sit closer to the stage or paying to get in the Vatican earlier than everyone else or the thousand of other time saving/ convenience things in life people choose to spend their money on? If you do IMHO that judgement is misplaced.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Thats fine. So eliminate the service for the people who cant afford the top tier. What happens next? The masses come attacking Disney for only catering to the 1% and the rich…. We both know that.

And you and everyone say the same about lines moving consistently. End of day is this. 30 minutes. 45 minutes. 60 minutes. Is still in fact 30/45/60 minutes whether it’s a stop and go or a constant flow. So perception may be hey the line moved quicker but reality. No it didnt. You didnt save any time. You may think you did but you didnt. Also. A line that has stoppages potentially helps people who wants to say eat a snack or drink something easier then a constant moving line.

You should know that prior to fastpass…or in 1.0…lines did NOT feel the same way…

A moving line always went more swiftly in your mind. And since you’re there the whole day for that stuff…it kinda worked.

What happened is pretty simple: bob the coward decided to logjam by not adding any capacity…then started pay schemes to get out of it. It’s on him. Not say they couldn’t do it…they can do what they want. It’s totally brand erosion though. These things take time to germinate.

If it ends up like fastpass+? At these prices? Gonna really get nasty.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

The masses that were treated as equals for the first 50-ish years that WDW was around until some Bob guy decided they were cows that needed to be milked, but if they now took away the milking that would make people outraged?

When did society become so entitled that they decided they were too good to have to wait for anything? Disney theme park attractions were designed to hold people. Some even told a story while in the queue! Nah, just skip that crap and let me do my ride commando thing because I'm entitled to!

It isn't about entitlement, people are PAYING for the line skip, because its a service they want. The same way you can pay for express shipping, the same way you can pay for first class seats on a plane vs economy. Has nothing to do with entitlement, it has to do with I don't want to waste the limited time i have off sitting around in a line. If you want to do that, great, go ahead. But many people have better things to do with their time.

Everyone here is being treated equally. You have the option to by LL or a line skip of some form. You get to chose if its important to you or not. And yes, waiting around doing nothing is most certainly crap.

 

[HauntedPirate]

But you seem to making a moral judgement because someone pays money to have a shorter line. Do you make the same judgement at concerts for people paying to sit closer to the stage or paying to get in the Vatican earlier than everyone else or the thousand of other time saving/ convenience things in life people choose to spend their money on? If you do IMHO that judgement is misplaced.

It makes zero sense to sit closer to the stage at a concert when it does nothing to enhance your experience. You get better views sitting further away and thus can take in the entire show, not just the small part of the stage you can see.

This all sounds a lot like convenience is the be-all-end-all for a lot of people. If only there was a warning about this, and maybe even inside a Disney theme park somewhere...

“We now face the danger, which in the past has been the most destructive to the humans: Success, plenty, comfort and ever-increasing leisure. No dynamic people has ever survived these dangers.”

 

[Chi84]

So “i can’t tolerate lines”…just tells me that you’re not picking the right recreational spot.

Aww but we love WDW! Fortunately you don’t get to pick where we vacation.

Line skips are everywhere.

 

[Splash4eva]

You of al

You should know that prior to fastpass…or in 1.0…lines did NOT feel the same way…

A moving line always went more swiftly in your mind. And since you’re there the whole day for that stuff…it kinda worked.

What happened is pretty simple: bob the coward decided to logjam by not adding any capacity…then started pay schemes to get out of it. It’s on him. Not say they couldn’t do it…they can do what they want. It’s totally brand erosion though. These things take time to germinate.

If it ends up like fastpass+? At these prices? Gonna really get nasty.

You of all people should know better than trying to compare today vs something that came out when? Over 25 years ago. Capacity has not kept up with the attendance increase and neither has the hours as you said. So saying lines felt different is kinda odd. People act like there were no lines back in day. Heck i remember going as a kid waiting for hours. Nature of the beast. I dont think anyone is saying Bob/Eisner to a degree tried to garnish more money from their loyal and paying guests. Issue is. People would still pay even if they added and eased the burden of everyone else. What i do find funny is. Nobody has a clue on how many are getting sold yet are so quick to rush and say because of this product its creating longer lines… think about that. How can you or anyone make that claim that its having any significant impact?

 

[Splash4eva]

The masses that were treated as equals for the first 50-ish years that WDW was around until some Bob guy decided they were cows that needed to be milked, but if they now took away the milking that would make people outraged?

When did society become so entitled that they decided they were too good to have to wait for anything? Disney theme park attractions were designed to hold people. Some even told a story while in the queue! Nah, just skip that crap and let me do my ride commando thing because I'm entitled to!

When that skip the line was free people had no issues missing the story while waiting tho….

Disney is a company and one that needs to evolve and if that means selling a service so be it. Especially one that adds value. Be annoyed at a 75$ character meal with subpar food. Be annoyed at $1000 hotel rooms that on an open market wouldnt sell for half that. Dont be annoyed that some limited amount of people who can afford it purchase something that may have no impact for all we know on anyones experience.

 

[Splash4eva]

My stance has been, get rid of all skip the line systems except premier pass. And then adjust the pricing of premier accordingly. Would still be expensive, but that is the point. Make sure use is somewhat limited. And at the same time, include it at no additional cost for guests staying at the monorail hotels at MK only, and include it for guests stays at the Epcot deluxe hotels at Epcot and DHS only.

Again then people complain its only for the elite and honestly. If you included it like you are saying. Imo that would be more people than who is using it now daily…

 

[Andrew C]

Again then people complain its only for the elite and honestly. If you included it like you are saying. Imo that would be more people than who is using it now daily…

I don't have the data Disney has, but I think it would approve the overall guest experience for the average guest. Sure, it will make a few upset. I don't agree it would put more people in the fast pass line. The goal would be to reduce the number. Now if the numbers don't add up...

 

[Splash4eva]

I don't have the data Disney has, but I think it would approve the overall guest experience for the average guest. Sure, it will make a few upset. I don't agree it would put more people in the fast pass line. The goal would be to reduce the number. Now if the numbers don't add up...

Nobody does. Thats my main point. Its all a guess game that people are up i arms over which in fact can have zero impact on our experience. Just like DAS crack down. People really thought it was gonna drastically reduce wait times. Guess what. It hasnt and what happened. People who needed it were refused and those that were scamming i would bet are still scamming…. I looked up on this site. 2800 rooms for MK area fwiw. No clue how to equate guests at peak times tho

 

[Andrew C]

Nobody does. Thats my main point. Its all a guess game that people are up i arms over which in fact can have zero impact on our experience. Just like DAS crack down. People really thought it was gonna drastically reduce wait times. Guess what. It hasnt and what happened. People who needed it were refused and those that were scamming i would bet are still scamming…. I looked up on this site. 2800 rooms for MK area fwiw. No clue how to equate guests at peak times tho

They know the current system isn’t providing a great experience. This is what leads to different opinions on what changes could potentially make the experience better. My add in of MK premier pass for monorail resort guests (while removing other fast pass options) was a way of adding an actual perk to these props.

 

[Chi84]

Nobody does. Thats my main point. Its all a guess game that people are up i arms over which in fact can have zero impact on our experience. Just like DAS crack down. People really thought it was gonna drastically reduce wait times. Guess what. It hasnt and what happened. People who needed it were refused and those that were scamming i would bet are still scamming…. I looked up on this site. 2800 rooms for MK area fwiw. No clue how to equate guests at peak times tho

I thought Len had data showing that DAS changes did help with backups in the fastpass lanes.

 

[Chi84]

I’m wondering when this WDW fan forum became a cheerleading echo chamber, with only certain people approving what opinions can be offered without “No bad talk allowed or you get the finger-wag!!!”.

If you want a site that’s exclusively “Disney is the bestest!!!1!!!” all day and all night with zero tolerance for dissenting opinions/thoughts, or want to talk down to people who have been visiting Disney parks LONGER THAN MANY HERE HAVE BEEN ALIVE, go start your own.

I don’t know, I’ve read through here and it seems people are offering substantive opinions without hysterics.

Where are you seeing this?

 

[Splash4eva]

I thought Len had data showing that DAS changes did help with backups in the fastpass lanes.

No comment regarding data outside of Disneys actual real data…

 

[Chi84]

You mean like the trust fund class?

Can't we all name a few members of the upper class who have made some VERY poor decisions, to the point of losing titles and such?

Wealth doesn't = intelligent. Not by a long shot.

Surely you know enough of world history to know that a great many kings/queens/nobles lost fortunes because they were dumb as a doorknob.

I’ll grant you an exception for trust fund babies and kings/queens/nobles. Those people didn’t earn their wealth.

But if you subtract them from the demographic actually visiting WDW I think we would be left with a good number of people who have the intelligence to earn money and the ability to understand how they want to spend it.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I am jumping into the conversation late.

Does Disney sell only a finite number of LLPPs per day?

Did anyone ever see LLPPs “sell out”