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2025 was an awful year

Chef Mickey

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I would not have put him in to begin with. The only thing he did right was the DCA re-imagining and he learned completely the wrong lesson from it, then let Chapek re-ruin it only 5 years later.
Agree, terrible for the parks but I’m giving him credit for some asset acquisition. I want him gone and never really liked him.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
At a personal level 2025 was a year of discovering the parks in a new way, as my son really turned a corner with a lot of his sensory processing issues. We’re still not doing coasters, for the most part, but previously we couldn’t even do dark rides. The toddler and preschool years of just wandering Main Street, meeting characters, buying Mickey pretzels and riding the train were very sweet, but going on actual rides with him is awesome.

As a fan analyzing the parks, I think 2025 was more win than loss, although there were definitely pros and cons.

Cons:

I think Cars for Rivers was a mistake. At an absolute minimum I wish they would have just waited, as consensus seems to be there’s been a loss of institutional wisdom that will take time to mend, and this is one of those projects where it’s vital that they knock it out of the park. And if replacing it was inevitable, I wish they would done a “Disney+ to parks pipeline” and cranked out a series about talking bears and squirrels somewhere in the wilderness so that we got something based on a forest and not talking cars.

Haven’t seen the Zootopia show but for the time being I’ll say it must not be great based on fan reactions.

Labor shortage issues are still present and not going away in the foreseeable future. Mousekeeping still seems understaffed (stayed at two deluxes this year and somehow there was a disposable contact on the bathroom floor both times when we checked in).

Pros

Service and food have improved continuously since Covid. Went to Chef Mickey’s in the fall and was shocked at what a glow up it had gotten. The buffet went on forever! Other buffets seemed to have increased offerings as well.

There have been some good small scale offerings. Things like the Villains show, Beak and Barrel (although I realize some don’t like that one), Little Mermaid redo, Test Track, maybe the parade would go in this category (even if you consider it a mini upgrade vs. a substantial parade, it’s still something where there was nothing.)

If you’re into cruising, tons of new offerings there.

Disney finally started offering some discounts, without major same-year price increases. Granted prices have still exploded since Covid, so this one is only a “pro” if looking at pricing in the last year or two. But my thought is - so many things changed post Covid, they’re not changing back, so the realistic baseline is where we are right now.

Previous plans are still rolling forward so I would put those in the “Pros” category even though they’re unrealized at the moment.
“Shortages” have nothing to do with Covid…it’s right to left math

And the discounts…which are only last resort now…are because of their prices

Let’s see how it plays?
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Agree, terrible for the parks but I’m giving him credit for some asset acquisition. I want him gone and never really liked him.
Pixar was a no-brainer. Marvel still makes no sense to me, and it had a detrimental effect on EPCOT and DCA. They basically ruined Lucasfilm, and we know that 20th Century Fox was motivated so that Disney could own the rights to A New Hope, everything else was incidental.
 

DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
“Shortages” have nothing to do with Covid…it’s right to left math

And the discounts…which are only last resort now…are because of their prices

Let’s see how it plays?

I think there are many reasons but labor shortages are an issue all over the US, and that can only be magnified in an area like Orlando where you have an unusually high need for workers in a relatively small area.

According to Google the original MK / resorts opened with 6,000 CMs in 1971, compared to 80,000 Disney Parks CMs in Orlando today. And now they’re also staffing cruises, in addition to competing with other Orlando theme parks… and my understanding is rent and housing in Orlando are an issue for lower paid workers, in that there aren’t a lot of good options. Honestly I think it’s a small miracle Disney has been able to maintain staffing to the level they have.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think there are many reasons but labor shortages are an issue all over the US, and that can only be magnified in an area like Orlando where you have an unusually high need for workers in a relatively small area.

According to Google the original MK / resorts opened with 6,000 CMs in 1971, compared to 80,000 Disney Parks CMs in Orlando today. And now they’re also staffing cruises, in addition to competing with other Orlando theme parks… and my understanding is rent and housing in Orlando are an issue for lower paid workers, in that there aren’t a lot of good options. Honestly I think it’s a small miracle Disney has been able to maintain staffing to the level they have.
Minimum wage without cheap living expenses…might have something to do with it

(And by “might”…I mean since the early 90’s)
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
If only Roy had lived just a few more years. It might be a different story now.
8 packs a day probably never really seemed like a “good idea”, did it?

Same as his uncle


…but I agree that by the early 2010s Roy would have been a growing voice of dissent in the directions they took.
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Minimum wage without cheap living expenses…might have something to do with it

(And by “might”…I mean since the early 90’s)
Let's just say it is difficult to explain to many people I know why I have this infatuation with Disney considering my very strong opinions on labor and exploitation though admittedly now I am far more critical of it than I used to be, given recent events.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Pixar was a no-brainer. Marvel still makes no sense to me, and it had a detrimental effect on EPCOT and DCA. They basically ruined Lucasfilm, and we know that 20th Century Fox was motivated so that Disney could own the rights to A New Hope, everything else was incidental.
Pixar was a must…and they overpaid jobs for it at that time

Marvel was a good move that has worked…but they killed it. This next movie might be the end of it if they can’t get traction.

LFL died because they weren’t willing to do what was right by it…similar to Epcot

Fox was Iger trying to outsmart Roberts…and he failed.

What a waste
 

Disgruntled Walt

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Oh yeah…like a 1920’s blast furnace
He was the original Smoke Monster from Lost.
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DisneyHead123

Well-Known Member
Minimum wage without cheap living expenses…might have something to do with it

(And by “might”…I mean since the early 90’s)
I thought I read that Disney was building some employee housing which might help. I would love to see higher CM pay, but the thing about pay increases is that fans want to have it both ways, imo. They want CMs to be earning a living wage but will also be the first to lose their minds if the price of a Mickey bar or resort stay increases.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I thought I read that Disney was building some employee housing which might help. I would love to see higher CM pay, but the thing about pay increases is that fans want to have it both ways, imo. They want CMs to be earning a living wage but will also be the first to lose their minds if the price of a Mickey bar or resort stay increases.
That’s all your average 32 year old wants…a tenement to live out their dreams
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
I thought I read that Disney was building some employee housing which might help. I would love to see higher CM pay, but the thing about pay increases is that fans want to have it both ways, imo. They want CMs to be earning a living wage but will also be the first to lose their minds if the price of a Mickey bar or resort stay increases.
The two aren't even really connected. If CM pay reflected the financial success of the company things would be a lot different. Let's not pretend Disney can't waste thousands of dollars at a time and it would still only be a blip on their bottom line.
 

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