DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[jah4955]

That’s a crazy over-simplification that seems to be meant to shut down any meaningful discussion.

That's when I enjoy the debates....different POVs based on facts as long as everyone stays friendly-like

 

[mattpeto]

That’s a crazy over-simplification that seems to be meant to shut down any meaningful discussion.

The data didn’t tell them to paint the castle a terrible color for example.

I think that's a little unfair as I've had plenty of posts on this.

But this is what Jeff Vahle thought:

We know that everything at Walt Disney World is somebody’s favorite, so we were extremely thoughtful about that. These lands and attractions will deliver some incredibly creative experiences while also bringing new life to underutilized areas.

Why would they close down an attraction that is doing gangbusters for most guests?

 

[jah4955]

I think that's a little unfair as I've had plenty of posts on this.

But this is what Jeff Vahle thought:

We know that everything at Walt Disney World is somebody’s favorite, so we were extremely thoughtful about that. These lands and attractions will deliver some incredibly creative experiences while also bringing new life to underutilized areas.

Why would they close down an attraction that is doing gangbusters for most guests?

you reminded me of the (arguable) first Disney closure ever...the stagecoach.

not many riding .....

And it kept falling over

 

[HauntedPirate]

I think that's a little unfair as I've had plenty of posts on this.

But this is what Jeff Vahle thought:

We know that everything at Walt Disney World is somebody’s favorite, so we were extremely thoughtful about that. These lands and attractions will deliver some incredibly creative experiences while also bringing new life to underutilized areas.

Why would they close down an attraction that is doing gangbusters for most guests?

Meh. He hates Figment so how can he be trusted?

 

[Professortango1]

It's very interesting and at least to me, it's an indicator that they were just done with MV3D. This gets back to main point earlier, that the members of this forum are different from the casual guest, where the attraction was simply under-utitilized from an operational perspective. They have more data than we do.

While not running MV3D clearly reduces operational costs, surely they are spending capital on developing a new show, retheming the theater, hiring voice talent, etc. They could even spared PizzeRizzo to go with Muppets and still saved more money.

I'm a Disney sicko and I was very much done with MV3D. TTBAB I sighed a sad sigh over, but MV3D was an announcement that's been coming for awhile. The legacy of Henson is the reason it stuck around as long as it did.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I think that's a little unfair as I've had plenty of posts on this.

Do most of your posts say “underutilized”? That’s a joke by the way - it’s my word of the week haha.

I do think there were lots of puzzle pieces to this one - rock n roller coaster and animation courtyard.

I think we were looking at 2 very different potential park expansions - I hesitate to mention again - but I would have loved to be a fly on the wall and heard the various ideas that got considered for all of this.

But that’s also to say… it’s not as simple as “underutilized space”

 

[jah4955]

I'm a Disney sicko and I was very much done with MV3D. TTBAB I sighed a sad sigh over, but MV3D was an announcement that's been coming for awhile. The legacy of Henson is the reason it stuck around as long as it did.

TTBAB?

 

[MisterPenguin]

TTBAB?

Tough to be a bug.

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[jah4955]

Tough to be a bug.

Bookmark...

Thread 'Big List of Forum Abbreviations'

Mar 25, 2018

20k – 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, MK, defunct

7DMT – Seven Dwarfs Mine Train

AA – American Adventure

AA – Audio Animatronics

ABD – Adventures By Disney (world-wide tourist experiences)

AC – Adventurer's Club (defunct) at Pleasure Island (defunct) at Disney Springs

AC – Avenger's Campus

ADR – Advanced Dining Reservation, or, what normal people call 'restaurant reservations'

AE – Alien Encounter (replaced by Stitch's Great Escape), MK

AH – After Hours, upcharge time in the parks after closure to the general public, very limited attendance so as to make most of the rides a...

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[J4546]

Im guessing much of thet massive area between the Monstrolopis and the Coaster will be used for extended que? Its a massive mount of land between the ride and the rest of the land. Maybe more?

 

[aladdin2007]

Meh. He hates Figment so how can he be trusted?

He hates anything underutilized , problem is he doesn't understand the meaning of that.

 

[HauntedPirate]

He hates anything underutilized , problem is he doesn't understand the meaning of that.

I hear he has money-generation heat maps of the parks (and Springs) updated and printed every week so he can hang them in his office (next to the pictures of Bob and Josh) so he can always be plotting his next “revenue and yield management upgrade” move.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Aerial photos from bioreconstruct:

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This project looks like it may use space even more poorly than TSL.

 

[James Alucobond]

I think it was suggested earlier in the thread that the placement is what it is due to not wanting to disturb utilities ringing the park. Depending on how they run elsewhere, I assume that means that we'll continue to see some "wasted" space whenever they venture into the parking lot.

 

[build_it]

I don’t wonder if the current ring road will eventually become a guest walkway. If you eventually planned to redo the area by star tours and Indy, it would be an easy connection to this area and make a new loop. Saves moving the utilities and gives you better expansion opportunities built in. What may seem like wasted space now, may become transition space later. Just a thought.

 

[mattpeto]

Interesting theory: https://diservations.com/sightlines-monsters-inc-coaster-being-built-below-grade/

 

[Casper Gutman]

I think it was suggested earlier in the thread that the placement is what it is due to not wanting to disturb utilities ringing the park. Depending on how they run elsewhere, I assume that means that we'll continue to see some "wasted" space whenever they venture into the parking lot.

That theory doesn’t account for the decision to add all of Muppets Courtyard to what already seems likely to be a big chunk of “wasted” space around the coaster building.

I’m also curious as to the nature of those utility restrictions, if they exist. Can restaurants and/or stores be built over them? Right now, it sure looks like a huge empty space, and I’m not convinced that’s all the fault of utilities.

 

[Casper Gutman]

One of the very oddest and, if I might go even further, stupidest things about modern American society is the unshakeable conviction that executives are somehow omnipotent and omniscient unbiased decision makers. A country that has come to loathe and dismiss all experts to its great detriment still reveres the fellows in the c-suite. In fact, executives are just as governed by personal convictions and irrational biases as any other professional, but this is compounded by an airtight echo chamber and a society that always tells them what special fellows they are.

All of this is to say Disney’s decisions are not driven solely or even primarily by some perfectly disinterested interpretation of the all-seeing data. It’s driven by opinions and desires and pride and a whole bunch of other very human foibles. Modern Disney executives don’t like theme parks, for instance. They don’t like Muppets. They are quick to replace anything the previous Eisner regime built to prove their own greatness. They are very heavily motivated to promote the paid reservation system into which they poured huge amounts of cash and credibility.

The point is that Muppets didn’t die because the data demanded it. It died because, for a wide variety of personal and systemic reasons, a small group of executives wanted it dead.

 

[jah4955]

One of the very oddest and, if I might go even further, stupidest things about modern American society is the unshakeable conviction that executives are somehow omnipotent and omniscient unbiased decision makers. A country that has come to loathe and dismiss all experts to its great detriment still reveres the fellows in the c-suite. In fact, executives are just as governed by personal convictions and irrational biases as any other professional, but this is compounded by an airtight echo chamber and a society that always tells them what special fellows they are.

All of this is to say Disney’s decisions are not driven solely or even primarily by some perfectly disinterested interpretation of the all-seeing data. It’s driven by opinions and desires and pride and a whole bunch of other very human foibles. Modern Disney executives don’t like theme parks, for instance. They don’t like Muppets. They are quick to replace anything the previous Eisner regime built to prove their own greatness. They are very heavily motivated to promote the paid reservation system into which they poured huge amounts of cash and credibility.

The point is that Muppets didn’t die because the data demanded it. It died because, for a wide variety of personal and systemic reasons, a small group of executives wanted it dead.

That's a reality that's hard to refute. Likely "BOTH" data "AND" Managment wanting to "make their mark/bonus/etc"

Like how everything/everyone was against a hotel overlooking the entrance to Mainstreet DLP. Everyone except Eisner. Eisner overruled them all.

 

[doctornick]

Im guessing much of thet massive area between the Monstrolopis and the Coaster will be used for extended que? Its a massive mount of land between the ride and the rest of the land. Maybe more?

The concept art seemed to suggest there might be some sort of (covered) children's play area or maybe a M&G to the side going towards the coaster