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News New Permit Filed for Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room at Magic Kingdom

Agent H

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I'm all for Moana in Adventureland, but let's not pretend 2 wasn't hot trash. Plus the live action looks horrible. I can't believe they're running their most successful franchise since Frozen into the ground. I'm actually nervous if the attraction isn't announced and started before the live action movie, it might never come.
I think the problem with Moana 2 is mostly the additional side characters who don’t really have complete arcs and aren’t super fleshed out. They could have worked when it was a tv show and they could have each had their own episode that was mostly about them but they obviously didn’t translate well when they turned it into a movie. If they had been taken out entirely you would have a slightly repetitive but still enjoyable film with a decent soundtrack (can I get a chee who is a little cheesy I will admit but in a fun way)
 
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jah4955

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I think the problem with Moana 2 is mostly the additional side characters who don’t really have complete arcs and aren’t super fleshed out. They could have worked when it was a tv show and they could have each had their own episode that was mostly about them. If they had been taken out entirely you would have a slightly repetitive but still enjoyable film with a decent soundtrack (can I get a chee who is a little cheesy I will admit)
THESE are the conversations I enjoy having on the forums (thank you @Agent H !) I was struggling to say something but didn't know how to say it without going down a rabbit hole (pun intended)! 🏆
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
I dunno… I mean, it seems it gotten quite a lot of pushback. I don’t see a lot of folks completely on board with the Cars ride going there. But hey, I’m willing to admit if I’m wrong on that.
It is but unfortunately the passionate fanbase for WDW is not strong enough to scare the powers that be. If they did anything to the Tiki Room in Disneyland, There would be riots on Harbour Boulevard.
 

jah4955

Well-Known Member
It is but unfortunately the passionate fanbase for WDW is not strong enough to scare the powers that be. If they did anything to the Tiki Room in Disneyland, There would be riots on Harbour Boulevard.
My theory (hope) that what keeps Tiki Room "safe" (at least from outright replacement) is its relatively small footprint (and being adjacent w/CBJ/dining/retail).
 

EricsBiscuit

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I’m glad you asked because this is actually a subject I’m personally very interested in!

So, in the mid 20th century (specifically 50s and 60s), there was a major cultural fad that is referred to by different names but I know it as Tiki Kitsch.

It was a broad fascination with Polynesian aesthetics that dominated everything from entertainment to architecture. Things like Tiki Room and the Polynesian are direct results of this trend. While I won’t go so far as to say this was a trend that was outright, nakedly, on its face offensive or malicious, as time has gone on, it has been reevaluated.

Broadly speaking (there will of course be individuals who are exceptions), people of Polynesian origin or dissent do not appreciate Tiki Kitsch because it is viewed as a cartoonized, heavily diluted, and at times blatantly disrespectful to a culture that they are very protective over and one that is actually in quite a bit of danger.

Native Polynesian culture is endangered. As more and more islands and hubs for these various cultures get commodified and turned into beach resorts and vacation destinations, natives lose their land and their cultural heritage sites, and are forced to watch as their cultures and religions are turned into performance and show rather than treated as something sacred to the people that it represents.

This is why there has been a large push from native Hawaiians to reduce the amount of tourism that the islands receive. They, like many other Polynesian regions, are fighting for their land, their history, and their culture to be preserved..

Where does Tiki Room fit into that?

Well, it is an example of the sort of thing they dislike. While I do believe that Tiki Room was never made with the intention of disrespect, ultimately it is a very cartoonized version of real cultures and beliefs with the intention of appealing to a predominantly (at the time) white American audience. It is a product of a cultural fad that Polynesian folks have long been dismayed by. It is insensitive even if it doesn’t mean to be by sheer virtue of just being bad representation.

Disney has also gotten in hot water over this subject before.

Alauni was and is extremely controversial for this very reason. Natives were not happy then and continue to be unhappy now that a mega resort that is essentially modern Tiki Kitsch was built and today platforms other Disney products that they have taken issue with such as Moana and Lilo & Stitch.

While I don’t personally think any of these things are outright malicious, they are examples of cultural tourism that have contributed to a negative impact on the people whose culture these things are supposedly meant to be representative of.

I believe wholeheartedly this criticism and this broader movement of Polynesian individuals to openly criticize and push back against Tiki Kitsch and cultural tourism is what influenced their decision to make such significant changes to the Poly.

Of course, I do not believe putting Stitch or Moana in there is going to help this. Those two properties also have received heavy criticism from these communities for the exact same thing: they are not very good representations of the culture and people they deal with and have been used by Disney outside of the films to further business practices that have brought direct harm to natives, their homes, their culture, and their way of life.

I believe that there is a way to tweak Tiki Room so that it is more sensitive to and knowledgeable of this criticism. A way to present it in a way that is more reflective of of reality rather than the cartoonified, theme parkian vibe it presents now that so many natives find to be troubling.

I do not think that it is as pressing necessarily as something like Splash Mountain or the Native Americans in Peter Pan was, but I do think that it is something that Disney is at least somewhat aware of given how they have interacted with the Polynesian Resort, and I would not be surprised to see sometime in the future have a bit of a reassessment on Tiki Room and whether or not it’s current presentation is in line with their move toward more cultural sensitivity.
Who cares? If someone is offended by the Tiki Room then I have a very simple solution: don’t watch the show!
 

KDM31091

Well-Known Member
Let’s just hope this is just routine maintenance and not anything more. Under New Management didn’t work out. A Moana theme would be cute but almost certainly a downgrade for any classic WDW fan. Is there a reason they’re so averse to just creating new spaces? Keep the birds and put in a separate Moana show elsewhere. Then everyone’s happy.

The Tiki room provides a great escape with a low wait which is something that is becoming more and more rare as they want every attraction to be a lightning lane sale generator or its endangered.
 

larryz

I'm Just A Tourist!
Premium Member
Will the tiki room be converted to a Moana themed lounge?
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WorldExplorer

Well-Known Member
I think I've heard that it's more expensive than just replacing an existing attraction, if that makes any sense?

Why staff Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room AND Moana's Watery Adventure when you can just staff Moana's Tiki Adventure?

Plus money saved on construction, varying from not needing to clear land to full on reusing the building.
 

Mr. Sullivan

Well-Known Member
Who cares? If someone is offended by the Tiki Room then I have a very simple solution: don’t watch the show!
A lot of people care and I think they have a right to considering what’s happening to their home, their way of life, and the things that are sacred and important to them. It’s not really about whether you agree or disagree. It’s an objective fact that these things are happening.

I think this is a very inappropriate and dare I even say disrespectful response to an incredibly valid concern that entire groups of people have about the threat their culture faces as a result of the way people outside of their culture choose to treat it and their homes. Some of those folks may even be a part of this community and I hope to God that they don’t read you being so grossly dismissive and careless of something that deserves to be treated with a bit of respect and seriousness.
 

Bocabear

Well-Known Member
I would love to see them give the Enchanted Tiki Room a big refresh... Bigger and better special effectscompletely re master or re-recnord the entire soundtrack with more dimensional sound...but still keep the charm and original design intact... Bring back the magical fountain in the center of the room...and don't infuse it with modern pop culture like the "Under New Management" version...
 

AidenRodriguez731

Well-Known Member
A lot of people care and I think they have a right to considering what’s happening to their home, their way of life, and the things that are sacred and important to them. It’s not really about whether you agree or disagree. It’s an objective fact that these things are happening.

I think this is a very inappropriate and dare I even say disrespectful response to an incredibly valid concern that entire groups of people have about the threat their culture faces as a result of the way people outside of their culture choose to treat it and their homes. Some of those folks may even be a part of this community and I hope to God that they don’t read you being so grossly dismissive and careless of something that deserves to be treated with a bit of respect and seriousness.
If you don't like the rethemes of stuff just don't watch/ride them and don't complain about it, right? Seems like a much easier concession than trying to ask a group of people to ignore problematic stereotypes.


100% Agree with you, the OG commentor's statement was insane, this is not a matter of "dislike/like" but a matter of how someones culture is received and presented to a larger audience.
 

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