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News Disney’s Fiscal Full Year and Q4 2025 Earnings Results Webcast

Trauma

Well-Known Member
An company that is making tons of money, increasing profits and is a burning wreckage? lol
Yes.

None of that matters. We invest on future performance.

This company is poorly positioned to deal with an economic downturn.

What’s the plan for parks ? Lower the cost of the AP and flood the parks with locals ?

Locals won’t be paying the insane room rates, ever increasing food costs or high LL costs.

This is just one segment of the business.


When your business plan is ever increasing prices with reduced quality of product you will eventually pay the price. It’s not sustainable.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Yes.

None of that matters. We invest on future performance.

This company is poorly positioned to deal with an economic downturn.

What’s the plan for parks ? Lower the cost of the AP and flood the parks with locals ?

Locals won’t be paying the insane room rates, ever increasing food costs or high LL costs.

This is just one segment of the business.


When your business plan is ever increasing prices with reduced quality of product you will eventually pay the price. It’s not sustainable.
This has been going on for the past decade.

So why hasn't it all collapsed already?
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Reminds me...time dust off this one...

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DisneyNittany

Well-Known Member
This has been going on for the past decade.

So why hasn't it all collapsed already?

We haven't experienced an economic downturn in that time. However, it's a lot of smoke and mirrors. The top 10% of households are buoying the economy right now, while the other 90% are feeling the pinch.

All is good right now because the top 10% have been riding out one if, if not the longest duration, bull markets in history and one that has produced ~235% returns over the past decade, while also seeing one of their larger assets, their houses, essentially double in value.

The pricing increases have little to no impact on the people they are targeting. However, when the eventual economic downturn does happen, and portfolios start to shrink, and the psychology behind the shrinking portfolio enters the forefront, it could present a problem.
 

el_super

Well-Known Member
This company is poorly positioned to deal with an economic downturn.

That has always been the case. Entertainment is usually the first cut from the family budget. Disney has always been aware of this too.


What’s the plan for parks ? Lower the cost of the AP and flood the parks with locals ?

That's always an option. I beleive Disney has reached a point where they do not want to keep undervaluing their product. It makes it far harder to justify attraction spending long term, if guests are accustomed to lower prices all the time.


When your business plan is ever increasing prices with reduced quality of product you will eventually pay the price. It’s not sustainable.

You're right. Price increases will need to be justified by increased spending on attractions and entertainment. Thankfully that's exactly what they are doing.
 

DrStarlander

Well-Known Member
Disney will be fine.
Pan Am, Sears, Kodak...an assumption of invulnerability is unwise, for a business leader and investor..

They aren’t visiting because it’s too damn expensive.
It's also complicated and stressful.

Hoping Disney has the good judgment not to be yanked around by the whims of investors and instead play the long game.
The long game is to create great entertainment, on screens in theaters, at home, and in the parks. They need to figure out how to do that across every segment, more reliably. Do they have the right people working under the right management in the right culture with the right resources?

Would park attendance be higher if they actually made a Star Wars land that felt like Star Wars, or a Marvel land that felt like being in a comic book or movie (instead if an industrial park) or a Princess and the Frog attraction that felt like it was made by people who liked -- not despised -- the movie? Over, and over, and over, they have been squandering opportunities and making disappointing entertainment.

What makes you think that prices are being increased because attendance is falling and not the other way around?

Disney has indicated for years now a desire to reset the valuation of their experiences product. They have basically said they wanted to control attendance and temper demand and the best way to do that is with price increases. So doesn't it follow then that their price controls are actually being done to control attendance rather than the other way around?

If their goal was to increase attendance, they could easily do so with price manipulation, but that's not their goal.
Is your theory that they are raising prices to decrease attendance? Then why spend billions to increase park capacity with net increases in numbers of attractions and amenities and guest-accessible square-footage?

Right... but Disney controls the price increases, so if the price increases are going to lead to revenue that Disney isn't comfortable with, they can just slow or pause them. They're fully in control of the pricing and as such, they determine what their attendance is going to be.
Demand for Disney Parks has been relatively inelastic. Changes in pricing will have a negligible negative impact on attendance...for a while. That's because Disney Parks are historically unique and dominant in the industry. There's a lot of cultural and consumer behavior pattern protection (families that go to Disney Parks by tradition).

But customer resentment, changing tastes, and competitive offerings all work against them. It's like in the 1990s and early 2000s when the cable companies kept ratcheting up monthly rates and treating customers terribly -- why not? They essentially had a monopoly. All of a sudden a viable alternative comes along and "see ya!" customer jumped at the opportunity to dump cable.

And once you lose a customer it can be hard to get them back. They find alternatives they like as much or better. They retain their resentment. Family travel traditions change.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
That has always been the case. Entertainment is usually the first cut from the family budget. Disney has always been aware of this too.




That's always an option. I beleive Disney has reached a point where they do not want to keep undervaluing their product. It makes it far harder to justify attraction spending long term, if guests are accustomed to lower prices all the time.




You're right. Price increases will need to be justified by increased spending on attractions and entertainment. Thankfully that's exactly what they are doing.
This is more fantasyland than the actual fantasyland…which I bet is quite empty right now
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Not defending Disney here but the idea that the stock is some great indicator of anything meaningful is a joke.

Let's also not pretend like the memeification of the market over the last 10 years where things like fundamentals are no longer valued as much as meaningless short term trends isn't a thing.
It doesn’t mean anything tangible

What it might do is cause your lapdog manager and his bad lieutenants to do stupid things to “fix it”

…what’s the chances of that?
 

Ayla

Well-Known Member
Pan Am, Sears, Kodak...an assumption of invulnerability is unwise, for a business leader and investor..


It's also complicated and stressful.


The long game is to create great entertainment, on screens in theaters, at home, and in the parks. They need to figure out how to do that across every segment, more reliably. Do they have the right people working under the right management in the right culture with the right resources?

Would park attendance be higher if they actually made a Star Wars land that felt like Star Wars, or a Marvel land that felt like being in a comic book or movie (instead if an industrial park) or a Princess and the Frog attraction that felt like it was made by people who liked -- not despised -- the movie? Over, and over, and over, they have been squandering opportunities and making disappointing entertainment.


Is your theory that they are raising prices to decrease attendance? Then why spend billions to increase park capacity with net increases in numbers of attractions and amenities and guest-accessible square-footage?


Demand for Disney Parks has been relatively inelastic. Changes in pricing will have a negligible negative impact on attendance...for a while. That's because Disney Parks are historically unique and dominant in the industry. There's a lot of cultural and consumer behavior pattern protection (families that go to Disney Parks by tradition).

But customer resentment, changing tastes, and competitive offerings all work against them. It's like in the 1990s and early 2000s when the cable companies kept ratcheting up monthly rates and treating customers terribly -- why not? They essentially had a monopoly. All of a sudden a viable alternative comes along and "see ya!" customer jumped at the opportunity to dump cable.

And once you lose a customer it can be hard to get them back. They find alternatives they like as much or better. They retain their resentment. Family travel traditions change.
IMO, they are currently overvaluing their product, which is what is turning so many people off.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
Pan Am, Sears, Kodak...an assumption of invulnerability is unwise, for a business leader and investor..


It's also complicated and stressful.


The long game is to create great entertainment, on screens in theaters, at home, and in the parks. They need to figure out how to do that across every segment, more reliably. Do they have the right people working under the right management in the right culture with the right resources?

Would park attendance be higher if they actually made a Star Wars land that felt like Star Wars, or a Marvel land that felt like being in a comic book or movie (instead if an industrial park) or a Princess and the Frog attraction that felt like it was made by people who liked -- not despised -- the movie? Over, and over, and over, they have been squandering opportunities and making disappointing entertainment.


Is your theory that they are raising prices to decrease attendance? Then why spend billions to increase park capacity with net increases in numbers of attractions and amenities and guest-accessible square-footage?


Demand for Disney Parks has been relatively inelastic. Changes in pricing will have a negligible negative impact on attendance...for a while. That's because Disney Parks are historically unique and dominant in the industry. There's a lot of cultural and consumer behavior pattern protection (families that go to Disney Parks by tradition).

But customer resentment, changing tastes, and competitive offerings all work against them. It's like in the 1990s and early 2000s when the cable companies kept ratcheting up monthly rates and treating customers terribly -- why not? They essentially had a monopoly. All of a sudden a viable alternative comes along and "see ya!" customer jumped at the opportunity to dump cable.

And once you lose a customer it can be hard to get them back. They find alternatives they like as much or better. They retain their resentment. Family travel traditions change.
When you say “competitive offerings” to challenge Disney, which ones are you referring to?
 

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