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Disneyland celebrates the country's 250th birthday in 2026

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Per the actual movie, the time spent showing images (not the blue screen of death) is 4:20. That's the amount of time in Soarin' Over America they'll have to show, you know, America.

4 minutes and 20 seconds is not a lot of time, really. They will need to choose locales wisely.

EDIT: I just checked a ride-thru video of Soarin' Around The World, and it's also 4:20 of video imagery. They seem locked into keeping the movie offered to that time length, likely in an attempt to maximize hourly capacity even at Epcot.
~30 seconds on either side for raising and lowering the vehicle seems about right, I think the video you posted I counted an additional 5 seconds of screen time but still right around that time.

Anyways I really don't have any doubt they will pick some good locales. It'll probably be all the major ones that have been discussed and then end in DLR at least for the DCA version.
 

PiratesMansion

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You can't make the movie longer without cutting into hourly ride capacity. The ride capacity, especially at DCA, is abysmal for this unique and very popular E Ticket. They need 4 theaters.

Just another reminder that Paul Pressler was a visionless and cheap IDIOT! (With perfect hair and a winning smile!)


There are absolutely cases where Disney/park operators was cheapening out by only giving Soarin' two theaters-Tokyo and Shanghai (which is officially getting the WDW treatment of a third theater and also a new ending).

That said, I don't know that Disneyland truly needs that third theater long term. Perhaps at one time it did, but I wouldn't say that's been the case at DCA for some time.

Most of the times this year when the waits for the attraction were absurd, it was because they were only running one theater and taking the other down for a stealth refurbishment. When both sides were open, wait times were consistently pretty reasonable.

In fact, both times I rode SATW this year, they were running both theaters but electing to leave one set of seats entirely unfilled, invariably filling the center and one side but not the other.

I imagine this new film is less about Disney particularly caring about the 250th than it is about the parks trying to breathe new life into the attraction (see also: Smuggler's Run). Even at Epcot it's been somewhat supplanted by newer additions/refreshes and isn't quite what it once was in terms of popularity and drawing power (to my understanding, anyway-WDW frequenters, chime in & tell me how right/wrong I am!) Of course, it certainly plays well to the press and many of its target audience to do an American film, especially that they can tie into a celebration, but I imagine it's comparatively a secondary concern.
 
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truecoat

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There are absolutely cases where Disney/park operators was cheapening out by only giving Soarin' two theaters-Tokyo and Shanghai (which is officially getting the WDW treatment of a third theater and also a new ending).

That said, I don't know that Disneyland truly needs that third theater long term. Perhaps at one time it did, but I wouldn't say that's been the case at DCA for some time.

Most of the times this year when the waits for the attraction were absurd, it was because they were only running one theater and taking the other down for a stealth refurbishment. When both sides were open, wait times were consistently pretty reasonable.

In fact, both times I rode SATW this year, they were running both theaters but electing to leave one set of seats entirely unfilled, invariably filling the center and one side but not the other.

I imagine this new film is less about Disney particularly caring about the 250th than it is about the parks trying to breathe new life into the attraction (see also: Smuggler's Run). Even at Epcot it's been somewhat supplanted by newer additions/refreshes and isn't quite what it once was in terms of popularity and drawing power (to my understanding, anyway-WDW frequenters, chime in & tell me how right/wrong I am!) Of course, it certainly plays well to the press and many of its target audience to do an American film, especially that they can tie into a celebration, but I imagine it's comparatively a secondary concern.

Random Thursday shows 50-minute wait at Epcot at 12:35 EST. TT is 70, Frozen is 55, and GOTG is 55. Looks like it's a popular attraction.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Random Thursday shows 50-minute wait at Epcot at 12:35 EST. TT is 70, Frozen is 55, and GOTG is 55. Looks like it's a popular attraction.

Thank you. And per our old friends at LaughingPlace (Do they know that's not allowed any more?!? Who started that racist website?!?),..

Random Thursday at 1:40pm Pacific time shows Soarin' ties for the longest wait time in the park in DCA at 60 minutes, same as Midway Mania. But Soarin's Lightning Lanes have sold out for the day, while Midway Mania still has them at 5:20.

Cars Racers has a 50 minute wait, with immediate LL still available. The highest capacity ride at DCA; Chase-A-Baby Coaster (with higher height requirement and thrill ride status that scares away some guests) has a 20 minute wait, and immediate LL's available. Mission: Breakout! has a 45 minute wait with LL's available for 4:20.

Soarin' is a very popular attraction at DCA too. Shame they cheaped out on its capacity with only 2 theaters.

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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Shame they cheaped out on its capacity with only 2 theaters.
While I make no excuses for "cheap", those 2 theaters do take up a lot of space. Not counting queue, its an almost 30k sqft building. While I'd be all for doubling it, that would have come at the cost of something else, like World of Disney or La Brea now Earl's about to be Portos.
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
Random Thursday shows 50-minute wait at Epcot at 12:35 EST. TT is 70, Frozen is 55, and GOTG is 55. Looks like it's a popular attraction.
Never said it wasn't a popular attraction, simply that it was no longer the be all, end-all attraction, which looks, frankly, supported by your data.
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
Thank you. And per our old friends at LaughingPlace (Do they know that's not allowed any more?!? Who started that racist website?!?),..

Random Thursday at 1:40pm Pacific time shows Soarin' ties for the longest wait time in the park in DCA at 60 minutes, same as Midway Mania. But Soarin's Lightning Lanes have sold out for the day, while Midway Mania still has them at 5:20.

Cars Racers has a 50 minute wait, with immediate LL still available. The highest capacity ride at DCA; Chase-A-Baby Coaster (with higher height requirement and thrill ride status that scares away some guests) has a 20 minute wait, and immediate LL's available. Mission: Breakout! has a 45 minute wait with LL's available for 4:20.

Soarin' is a very popular attraction at DCA too. Shame they cheaped out on its capacity with only 2 theaters.

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Have you considered that if the two US Soarins were indeed just as popular as they always were that they might not have needed to debut a Soarin' Around the World?

I mean sure, Shanghai was bankrolling that, so sure, try the free attraction, why wouldn't you? But if Soarin' over California was just as popular as it was in good ol' 2001 (or whenever it was at the peak of its powers), why did they take the OG Soarin' down during the week when they were testing and tweaking the World show? If it was just as popular as it had been, why close your golden goose? After all, they didn't test the Winnie the Pooh vehicle on Haunted Mansion, they did it on Superstar Limo, i.e. capacity on a similar ride that wasn't enough of a draw to make the park hesitate to close it down to help something else use said system to test and adjust. If World wasn't more popular than the original show, SOC probably would have returned shortly afterward and soldiered on, much in the way the original Country Bear Jamboree did at Magic Kingdom for almost 50 years, instead of awkwardly showing up in March and then leaving as it does now.

I'm sure it gets your patriotic juices flowing to think so, but Disney is not a company to do things simply because America. If that was the case, there would still be Star-Spangled Bacon and not Moana & Her Disney Pals as the finale for the MSEP. They are incredibly bottom-line focused, something you are quite eager to point out in basically any other post you make.

The ride has declined in popularity and they know it. Certainly it is not empty or destitute-it has never fallen to Lincoln levels and is unlikely to do so-but nonetheless it is not moving people in a way it once did. They're not debuting a new film out of the goodness of their hearts or love of their country-they're doing it because they believe the attraction needs help in at least one of its two domestic resorts. And before someone else does another "well, at Epcot, the current wait time is...", it seems important to remind everyone that there's a huge gulf in ride capacity between the average DLR park and the average WDW park, something that has been conveniently left out of this conversation yet frequently arises in literally every other opportunity to compare the two is given. Of course the WDW version has a longer line-Epcot only has like 12 rides! So that's not really proof of anything except what we already know-WDW is allergic to building attractions, especially in its second gates.

There's a reason Haunted Mansion Holiday and IASW Holiday continue and yet Ghost Galaxy has bit the dust. Space Mountain doesn't actually need a popularity boost since it's consistently a huge draw and the number 1 or number 2 ride in the park at any given time. However, the original Haunted Mansion and IASW, classic and beloved though they are, and though they can hold respectable queues during the course of a day, simply don't pull the numbers in that their overlays do. If DLR management was happy with the numbers those OG rides were doing, why on earth would they put money towards the overlays and close them for at least a month each year in installation and removal time? They wouldn't.

If DCA's Soarin' really was packing the house, they wouldn't be spending the money on a new film and that third theater would have been built long ago. That neither of those things are true should be illuminating.
 

Distorian

Well-Known Member
Have you considered that if the two US Soarins were indeed just as popular as they always were that they might not have needed to debut a Soarin' Around the World?

I mean sure, Shanghai was bankrolling that, so sure, try the free attraction, why wouldn't you? But if Soarin' over California was just as popular as it was in good ol' 2001 (or whenever it was at the peak of its powers), why did they take the OG Soarin' down during the week when they were testing and tweaking the World show? If it was just as popular as it had been, why close your golden goose? After all, they didn't test the Winnie the Pooh vehicle on Haunted Mansion, they did it on Superstar Limo, i.e. capacity on a similar ride that wasn't enough of a draw to make the park hesitate to close it down to help something else use said system to test and adjust. If World wasn't more popular than the original show, SOC probably would have returned shortly afterward and soldiered on, much in the way the original Country Bear Jamboree did at Magic Kingdom for almost 50 years, instead of awkwardly showing up in March and then leaving as it does now.

I'm sure it gets your patriotic juices flowing to think so, but Disney is not a company to do things simply because America. If that was the case, there would still be Star-Spangled Bacon and not Moana & Her Disney Pals as the finale for the MSEP. They are incredibly bottom-line focused, something you are quite eager to point out in basically any other post you make.

The ride has declined in popularity and they know it. Certainly it is not empty or destitute-it has never fallen to Lincoln levels and is unlikely to do so-but nonetheless it is not moving people in a way it once did. They're not debuting a new film out of the goodness of their hearts or love of their country-they're doing it because they believe the attraction needs help in at least one of its two domestic resorts. And before someone else does another "well, at Epcot, the current wait time is...", it seems important to remind everyone that there's a huge gulf in ride capacity between the average DLR park and the average WDW park, something that has been conveniently left out of this conversation yet frequently arises in literally every other opportunity to compare the two is given. Of course the WDW version has a longer line-Epcot only has like 12 rides! So that's not really proof of anything except what we already know-WDW is allergic to building attractions, especially in its second gates.

There's a reason Haunted Mansion Holiday and IASW Holiday continue and yet Ghost Galaxy has bit the dust. Space Mountain doesn't actually need a popularity boost since it's consistently a huge draw and the number 1 or number 2 ride in the park at any given time. However, the original Haunted Mansion and IASW, classic and beloved though they are, and though they can hold respectable queues during the course of a day, simply don't pull the numbers in that their overlays do. If DLR management was happy with the numbers those OG rides were doing, why on earth would they put money towards the overlays and close them for at least a month each year in installation and removal time? They wouldn't.

If DCA's Soarin' really was packing the house, they wouldn't be spending the money on a new film and that third theater would have been built long ago. That neither of those things are true should be illuminating.
How was Splash Mountain's popularity in 2020?
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
How was Splash Mountain's popularity in 2020?
We all know why Splash Mountain was changed. Different situation.

Neither SOC nor SATW changed/is changing because they were internally cancelled or seen as damaged goods by the company.

Please show me, if you disagree with my basic premise, where modern Disney throws money around generously and makes changes just because. Maybe it's to draw people to an area, maybe it's based on the misperception that anything with IP is better than the same thing without IP, maybe it's internal politics. Whatever it is, there's ALWAYS a reason, and I'd argue that just marketing by itself-even for a company so focused on marketing-is seldom it.
 
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Distorian

Well-Known Member
We all know why Splash Mountain was changed. Different situation.

Neither SOC nor SATW changed/is changing because they were internally cancelled or seen as damaged goods by the company.

Please show me, if you disagree with my basic premise, where modern Disney throws money around generously and makes changes just because. Maybe it's to draw people to an area, maybe it's based on the misperception that anything with IP is better than the same thing without IP, maybe it's internal politics. Whatever it is, there's ALWAYS a reason, and I'd argue that just marketing by itself-even for a company so focused on marketing-is seldom it.
Was the claim not that Disney doesn't replace attractions that are popular? Is Splash Mountain not precisely an example of Disney replacing a popular attraction because of national reasons?
Have you considered that if the two US Soarins were indeed just as popular as they always were that they might not have needed to debut a Soarin' Around the World?
...
I'm sure it gets your patriotic juices flowing to think so, but Disney is not a company to do things simply because America....They are incredibly bottom-line focused, something you are quite eager to point out in basically any other post you make...

The ride has declined in popularity and they know it. Certainly it is not empty or destitute-it has never fallen to Lincoln levels and is unlikely to do so-but nonetheless it is not moving people in a way it once did. They're not debuting a new film out of the goodness of their hearts or love of their country-they're doing it because they believe the attraction needs help in at least one of its two domestic resorts...

... If DLR management was happy with the numbers those OG rides were doing, why on earth would they put money towards the overlays and close them for at least a month each year in installation and removal time? They wouldn't.

If DCA's Soarin' really was packing the house, they wouldn't be spending the money on a new film and that third theater would have been built long ago. That neither of those things are true should be illuminating.
 

truecoat

Well-Known Member
Thank you. And per our old friends at LaughingPlace (Do they know that's not allowed any more?!? Who started that racist website?!?),..

Random Thursday at 1:40pm Pacific time shows Soarin' ties for the longest wait time in the park in DCA at 60 minutes, same as Midway Mania. But Soarin's Lightning Lanes have sold out for the day, while Midway Mania still has them at 5:20.

Cars Racers has a 50 minute wait, with immediate LL still available. The highest capacity ride at DCA; Chase-A-Baby Coaster (with higher height requirement and thrill ride status that scares away some guests) has a 20 minute wait, and immediate LL's available. Mission: Breakout! has a 45 minute wait with LL's available for 4:20.

Soarin' is a very popular attraction at DCA too. Shame they cheaped out on its capacity with only 2 theaters.

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The last few times I've ridden, only one theater has been open, and that makes a huge difference.
 

mickEblu

Well-Known Member
We all know why Splash Mountain was changed. Different situation.

Neither SOC nor SATW changed/is changing because they were internally cancelled or seen as damaged goods by the company.

Please show me, if you disagree with my basic premise, where modern Disney throws money around generously and makes changes just because. Maybe it's to draw people to an area, maybe it's based on the misperception that anything with IP is better than the same thing without IP, maybe it's internal politics. Whatever it is, there's ALWAYS a reason, and I'd argue that just marketing by itself-even for a company so focused on marketing-is seldom it.

Grizzly Peak Airfield.

The last good addition to DCA.
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
Grizzly Peak Airfield.

The last good addition to DCA.
Ah ha, an actual answer! I knew someone could do it.

Though it begs the question, is pre-Chapek 2010s Disney Parks still modern/current Disney, or did 2016 and Chapek begin a new era that is still ongoing? I'd argue, unfortunately, that the uncharismatic bald man permanently transformed the parks in his image, and although he is gone, much of his influence remains.
 
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mickEblu

Well-Known Member
Ah ha, an actual answer! I knew someone could do it.

Though it begs the question, is pre-Chapek 2010s Disney Parks still modern/current Disney, or did 2016 and Chapek begin a new era that is still ongoing? I'd argue, unfortunately, that the uncharismatic bald man permanently transformed the parks in his image, and although he is gone, much of his influence remains.

To be honest I think Chapek, as unimpressive as he was, is an easy scapegoat. I’m not letting the Iger/ D’Amaro regime off the hook with that excuse. Iger was there before Chapek and he’s here after. Iger is the common denominator. And D’Amaro hasn’t impressed me either.
 

PiratesMansion

Well-Known Member
To be honest I think Chapek, as unimpressive as he was, is an easy scapegoat. I’m not letting the Iger/ D’Amaro regime off the hook with that excuse. Iger was there before Chapek and he’s here after. Iger is the common denominator. And D’Amaro hasn’t impressed me either.
Perhaps that's true, but to me there is a measurable difference pre- and post-2016 that has endured.
 

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