WOL Demo coming ..

[JohnD]

Just heard this from a person I would trust with my favorite ice cream.

Bus driver?

 

[Raineman]

Bus driver?

A cashier at Sassagoula Floatworks in POFQ.

 

[OptimusPrime]

There will come a day when Guardians are no longer relevant, and then what? Honestly, it's coming sooner than later. That's not a timeless IP

Honestly, on the contrary, I'd say Guardians was the smartest cast of characters to use. Everyone loves Groot. Everyone loves the music. Comic book freaks like me love Eson the Searcher.

We can have opinions all we want but at the end of the day its disingenuous to get on a Disney forum and say "yeah Guardians isn't relevant with the public anymore. What we really need is Dreamfinder back!"

I think a massive appeal to the coaster is the music which wouldn't have come with the Big Bang coaster on its own, since its so interwoven with the identity of the film version of the Guardians. Besides, these characters can survive on their own without the rest of the MCU dumpster fire. After all, in a time where Marvel is struggling to pull an audience, Guardians 3 made a lot of money back in '23 (a year Disney wasn't doing well at the box office).

 

[OptimusPrime]

I also am done with clones. Do I appreciate not traveling the world to ride Tron and Rat? Yeah. But enough of that.

The best part of last year’s D23 was that we are getting so many non-cloned original rides. When I go to the foreign parks, or even the GOAT that is Disneyland, I want new and different experiences. And you know that if WoL does indeed get demolished next year, an original attraction will be going in there. If they were smart, they would wait until Bob is rolled out of the door so that they could build Horizons 2.0. The only problem with that is that Bob owns the door. It would be nice if they could maintain some modicum of original rides and IP rides. But if Josh is a clone of Bob, we can just forget that potentiality.

I think that the anti-clone discussion always alienates a large audience: normal people.

We are the type of people who will go to Tokyo if given the chance to ride their Tangled ride. For most families, its not financially feasible to go to Tokyo for their daughter to see Rapunzel... while she is singing in Japanese... nor do most people care about Disney THAT much.

 

[Nickm2022]

I think that the anti-clone discussion always alienates a large audience: normal people.

We are the type of people who will go to Tokyo if given the chance to ride their Tangled ride. For most families, its not financially feasible to go to Tokyo for their daughter to see Rapunzel... while she is singing in Japanese... nor do most people care about Disney THAT much.

I agree. I would also say that ip's like tangled, lion king (and the entire renaissance), up, inside out, and more have been extremely underutilized and frankly should be more. Ip usage in parks is good, just depends how and when it's used. Just examples:

amazing: Avatar in ak. cars in dca. runaway railway in dl.
Good: ratatouie in EP. coco in DCA. encanto and indy in AK.
Fine: gotg in EP, moana in EP. avengers in dca.
Questionable: Cars in MK. avatar dca.
However even the questionable ones we need to wait and see how they're executed. lets just be grateful we don't live in the time line where Moana took over Dinoland.

My only counter was instead of clones I wish it were using the same IP's in different ways. Ie what disney is doing w avatar lands at dcc vs ak. or how uni has made HP different in each park

 

[HMF]

I will say that while yes, de-theming the Marvel out of it seems like it wouldn’t be too tall of an order based on what’s fundamentally there, the rotating music tracks, which IS a key part of the Guardians films, would def feel missed if absent. Those music tracks absolutely make the ride that extra enjoyable.

There isn't much Marvel there to begin with. They can't even put Marvel on the marquee but apparently there is some sort of contractual loophole that somehow allows Disney to use the characters as long as the Marvel connection isn't advertised per the Universal contract for some reason. I wish the Guardians were part of the Universal contract so we could have gotten an updated UOE or really any sort of replacement that would be in-theme for the park.

 

[HMF]

Well that and how offensive the two actually are. There’s stereotypes which is offensive and then there’s blatantly revising history to diminish the struggles of people who were historically despised and horribly mistreated at the time.

I concur.

 

[HMF]

We can't all agree. I would rather see the Mexico pavilion with no IP, including Three Caballeros. I can take that further and say that I think it would be better if no pavilions/attractions at Epcot had pre-existing IP attached to it, like the way Epcot was originally. But I am very aware what focus Disney has on their theme parks, and if anything, more IP will be added where there is none now, unfortunately.

I would prefer no IP personally but Coco would be a compromise I could live with.

 

[HMF]

Return RdT as it was (but update film parts for current Mexico)...highly doubt this would ever be considered for one moment for reasons discussed et nauseum on seemingly every other thread lol.

To be fair the only interesting parts of El Rio were the first few scenes where they talk about the indigenous people. The rest is basically a cross between It's a Small World and a 1980s era travel video shown in the style of If You Had Wings.

 

[dmc493]

I know this isn't the imagineering thread but my pipe dream for World Celebration (if they're going to stick with the odd concept of science, technology, and intergalactic adventure) is:

• Demo WoL, the more ppl mention it, the more inevitable it feels. Replace with some type of journey thru technological advancement, could be anywhere from classic omni to thrill, but there's an easy message to lean into
• Remove Marvel from GoG, turn it into a Big Bang esque journey from the start of time. Would be a huge creative and storytelling lift to make theming work in preshows and queue but you retain the magic of the ride experience. gravity bldg would only need new projections. if you throw in original characters a la Dinosaur preshow there's a way to make it work. wouldn't be hard to find a reason for why playing classic tunes is part of the experience
  • I know this is a pipe dream beyond a pipe dream beyond a pipe dream, but could be an easier pill to swallow if marvel ever found a place somewhere else at WDW
• Mission SPACE easily stays - stick with space exploration, Space 220 can stay as is
• Test Track easily stays

 

[HMF]

I personally think Mission Space as it currently exists days are probably numbered. I wouldn't throw out the idea of a new Space travel-themed attraction IP based or not in it's place.

 

[jah4955]

To be fair the only interesting parts of El Rio were the first few scenes where they talk about the indigenous people. The rest is basically a cross between It's a Small World and a 1980s era travel video shown in the style of If You Had Wings.

That's why I liked it

 

[TanagraTheater]

If there should be another overlay to Rio Del Tiempo, I'd like it to be King of the Hill. Have it be Peggy hosting tours of Mexico and her tendency to botch the Spanish language leads to Hank and the guys having to save the riders. Replace the Donald pinata with Bill and have Dale whack at him. I'd be hesitant to use Dale since Johnny Hardwick's passing and Toby Huss sounds nothing like him. The only gripe I have with the current ride is that we lost the marionette carousel. I'd love to see that return .

 

[OptimusPrime]

There isn't much Marvel there to begin with. They can't even put Marvel on the marquee but apparently there is some sort of contractual loophole that somehow allows Disney to use the characters as long as the Marvel connection isn't advertised per the Universal contract for some reason. I wish the Guardians were part of the Universal contract so we could have gotten an updated UOE or really any sort of replacement that would be in-theme for the park.

narratively they bent over backwards to mesh Guardians into Epcot as far as centering the pavilion around Xandar (though fictional, it’s presented as educational) plus all of the actual real life space facts (such as the shuttle to contact life outside of earth with stuff like music on it). Plus the storyline being about the Big Bang? By all means they bent over backwards to fit guardians into Epcot. Besides, people love it.

That being said, it is very funny to imagine a world where universal wanted the rights to, not only the guardians (who at the time were not the famous team), but also Star-Lord who showed up once every ten years for legal reasons and nothing else.

 

[Po'Rich]

imo....order of priority

1. Keep 3C (but I would be beyond-amazed if it's still here 5 years from now).
2. Return RdT as it was (but update film parts for current Mexico)...highly doubt this would ever be considered for one moment for reasons discussed et nauseum on seemingly every other thread lol.
3. Coco (admit most likely...but I can easily see how they can have Easter eggs from both 1.0 & 2.0...but very surprised this didn't happen several years ago)

I like 3C, but I agree that it is unlikely to remain for another 5 years. I find it quaint and peaceful, but it is quite dated. That said, I can see a Coco overlay. Personally, I'd rather see Disney build new rides than replace them.

 

[OptimusPrime]

I like 3C, but I agree that it is unlikely to remain for another 5 years. I find it quaint and peaceful, but it is quite dated. That said, I can see a Coco overlay. Personally, I'd rather see Disney build new rides than replace them.

The problem with adding Coco is that it would be such a popular addition that they would have to get rid of retail and restaurants space to fit a queue and I don’t think Disney is willing to do that

 

[Purduevian]

The problem with adding Coco is that it would be such a popular addition that they would have to get rid of retail and restaurants space to fit a queue and I don’t think Disney is willing to do that

If Disney really wants Coco in the Mexican Pavilion (which I would considering they could share resources with DCA), the smart place to build is behind the Royal Summer Haus and have it disconnected from the pyramid. I think there has to remain that awkward gap for emergency vehicles... but there is space.

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[HauntedPirate]

Ignoring the truly stupid opinions being thrown out by a few on the last page... Are the wrecking balls out at WoL yet?

 

[AKL2003]

The problem with adding Coco is that it would be such a popular addition that they would have to get rid of retail and restaurants space to fit a queue and I don’t think Disney is willing to do that

I actually didn’t mind the idea of Coco beyond BTMRR-IF Coco ever actually comes to WDW I hope that is where it ends up-Disney could do much more with the IP that way-IMO

 

[Haymarket2008]

I know this isn't the imagineering thread but my pipe dream for World Celebration (if they're going to stick with the odd concept of science, technology, and intergalactic adventure) is:

• Demo WoL, the more ppl mention it, the more inevitable it feels. Replace with some type of journey thru technological advancement, could be anywhere from classic omni to thrill, but there's an easy message to lean into
• Remove Marvel from GoG, turn it into a Big Bang esque journey from the start of time. Would be a huge creative and storytelling lift to make theming work in preshows and queue but you retain the magic of the ride experience. gravity bldg would only need new projections. if you throw in original characters a la Dinosaur preshow there's a way to make it work. wouldn't be hard to find a reason for why playing classic tunes is part of the experience
  • I know this is a pipe dream beyond a pipe dream beyond a pipe dream, but could be an easier pill to swallow if marvel ever found a place somewhere else at WDW
• Mission SPACE easily stays - stick with space exploration, Space 220 can stay as is
• Test Track easily stays

This.