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[Bocabear]

So then the only option is to chase what is most popular and already established? I don't think that works either... By that logic most of the classic popular attractions would have never seen the light of day... We have just gotten to a point where we are only chasing the most popular movie properties.... If the GOTG coaster had just opened as The Big Bang in the Universe Coaster, do you think it would have been a failure? I think the ride would still have been a hit...based on the ride alone.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

So then the only option is to chase what is most popular and already established? I don't think that works either... By that logic most of the classic popular attractions would have never seen the light of day... We have just gotten to a point where we are only chasing the most popular movie properties.... If the GOTG coaster had just opened as The Big Bang in the Universe Coaster, do you think it would have been a failure? I think the ride would still have been a hit...based on the ride alone.

There will come a day when Guardians are no longer relevant, and then what? Honestly, it's coming sooner than later. That's not a timeless IP.

 

[Bocabear]

There will come a day when Guardians are no longer relevant, and then what? Honestly, it's coming sooner than later. That's not a timeless IP.

Eactly.....but the actual ride will be popular as long as it is open... Look at Rock N Roller Coaster....lol

 

[HMF]

I think this is an exaggeration. The reception of Aladdin among Middle Easterners is certainly far from negative overall.

I am not saying it, Disney is. Obviously SOTS is a bit of an exaggeration because if that were the case the carpets would have been removed yesterday . Dumbo would probably be a better analogy.

 

[HMF]

Are you referring to Return of Jafar and King of Thieves? I always thought those were direct-to-video sequels, so the way they appear on Disney+ (as sequels) seems perfectly fine to me.

If we have to acknowledge the era of the Disney Cheapquels, That is the best way to handle it. Though a content warning before them apologizing for their existence would be appreciated.

 

[LittleBuford]

I am not saying it, Disney is.

I don't think Disney is saying it. They've even removed the content warning they used to have at the start of the film (you now have to look for it under "Details").

Dumbo would probably be a better analogy.

And just like Dumbo, I think the IP will remain quite robust, at least for now (I've given up trying to predict the future).

 

[HMF]

So then the only option is to chase what is most popular and already established? I don't think that works either... By that logic most of the classic popular attractions would have never seen the light of day... We have just gotten to a point where we are only chasing the most popular movie properties.... If the GOTG coaster had just opened as The Big Bang in the Universe Coaster, do you think it would have been a failure? I think the ride would still have been a hit...based on the ride alone.

The most amusing bits in the PR videos is when Imagineers say they wanted to create a roller coaster about Astro-physics in EPCOT and decided that Guardians was the best IP for the concept. Yes, I am sure that is exactly what happened.

 

[HMF]

I don't think Disney is saying it. They've even removed the content warning they used to have at the start of the film (you now have to look for it under "Details").

I was not aware of that. I think I know why that is but I will obviously not address it here.

 

[flynnibus]

So then the only option is to chase what is most popular and already established? I don't think that works either...

Where did I say that? No, the issue is you can't guarantee success. Just doing 'more' or 'better' doesn't always get you a 'great attraction'. You need to invest in what you think will achieve it, and do what you think is necessary. But predicting response is the hard part.. and why people end up will failures or mediocre attractions even with the best intentions. None of this conversation was about repeat ideas or 'already established'.

You can overdo it.. and end up being wasteful. You can overdo it, and completely lose the audience too. The greatness comes when they create the final blend of elements that resonates with the audience.

Your statement crosses different ideas as if they are one or the other.. "there is no risk whatsoever if they build a good quality attraction... building value engineered crap is risky...IP or not...but there is no risk to the company to build an amazing attraction without an IP..." -- You talk about good quality resulting in 'an amazing attraction' - that's what I'm responding to. You said "there is no risk to the company to build an amazing attraction without an IP" -- Space Mountain in Paris would like a word with you

If the company could just ensure any and every project would be "an amazing attraction" and get success, well, they'd be rich because they've successfully manipulated the future.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

There will come a day when Guardians are no longer relevant, and then what? Honestly, it's coming sooner than later. That's not a timeless IP.

Guardians is super easy. Just insert any new Space IP in there and you can essentially get the same effect. Most rides are like this and can reasonably be rethemed in a year or less without changing the ride system. Hell, what if they wanted to do something like Fantastic Four (I know Universal but lets pretend). Change the Celestial to Galactus and boom.

You can change the ride itself pretty easily. The queue would be the harder part to change but overall, not THAT difficult.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

So then the only option is to chase what is most popular and already established? I don't think that works either... By that logic most of the classic popular attractions would have never seen the light of day... We have just gotten to a point where we are only chasing the most popular movie properties.... If the GOTG coaster had just opened as The Big Bang in the Universe Coaster, do you think it would have been a failure? I think the ride would still have been a hit...based on the ride alone.

I think the ride would have been alright, but not NEARLY as popular. Not to mention the drastic downturn in merchandising sales, character meet and greet, and people book vacations to "check out the coaster based on my favorite superhero"

 

[ChrisFL]

Guardians is super easy. Just insert any new Space IP in there and you can essentially get the same effect. Most rides are like this and can reasonably be rethemed in a year or less without changing the ride system. Hell, what if they wanted to do something like Fantastic Four (I know Universal but lets pretend). Change the Celestial to Galactus and boom.

You can change the ride itself pretty easily. The queue would be the harder part to change but overall, not THAT difficult.

I think that might be one of the reasons that we didn't get the Milano in the queue, overall it's easier to re-theme this without a very large, obviously GOTG related spaceship inside the queue

 

[Brer Panther]

While I agree, I also believe Disney doesn't want to shelve Aladdin, Jasmine or Genie characters.

Of course not. Jasmine's a Disney princess, her merchandise sells great.

 

[bmr1591]

Yes, I certainly don't get the impression they're trying to bury Aladdin. If anything, it seems one of the films that they find almost mandatory to include in some way in new parades and shows.

If he has a prominent position in Fantasmic, they aren’t trying to bury him.


Speaking of which, maybe I’m going crazy, but Baloo was on the Fantasmic boat a couple weeks ago. I don’t remember ever seeing him on the boat before. Is that new or am I misremembering all the other times I’ve seen the show?

 

[FigmentFan82]

Guardians is super easy. Just insert any new Space IP in there and you can essentially get the same effect. Most rides are like this and can reasonably be rethemed in a year or less without changing the ride system. Hell, what if they wanted to do something like Fantastic Four (I know Universal but lets pretend). Change the Celestial to Galactus and boom.

You can change the ride itself pretty easily. The queue would be the harder part to change but overall, not THAT difficult.

I will say that while yes, de-theming the Marvel out of it seems like it wouldn’t be too tall of an order based on what’s fundamentally there, the rotating music tracks, which IS a key part of the Guardians films, would def feel missed if absent. Those music tracks absolutely make the ride that extra enjoyable.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

Of course not. Jasmine's a Disney princess, her merchandise sells great.

Yes, exactly. That is the difference between Aladdin and Song of the South. $$$

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Yes, exactly. That is the difference between Aladdin and Song of the South. $$$

Well that and how offensive the two actually are. There’s stereotypes which is offensive and then there’s blatantly revising history to diminish the struggles of people who were historically despised and horribly mistreated at the time.

We don’t look at all types of bad as “hey that’s horrible and despicable”. There’s also a lot of in between where it can be “oh that’s a dicey section of an otherwise alright movie”


But I digress, it appears truly that all roads lead to Splash Mountain which is tiring af

 

[Raineman]

I think we can all agree tho coco should be in the Mexico pavilion. with the only actual debate being how and where to put the line.

I also still think Italy should have a gondola ride, plus it could be themed around Luca or even the upcoming gatto. I also wouldn't mind a big hero 6 ride being shoed into the Japan pavilion

We can't all agree. I would rather see the Mexico pavilion with no IP, including Three Caballeros. I can take that further and say that I think it would be better if no pavilions/attractions at Epcot had pre-existing IP attached to it, like the way Epcot was originally. But I am very aware what focus Disney has on their theme parks, and if anything, more IP will be added where there is none now, unfortunately.

 

[jah4955]

We can't all agree. I would rather see the Mexico pavilion with no IP, including Three Caballeros. I can take that further and say that I think it would be better if no pavilions/attractions at Epcot had pre-existing IP attached to it, like the way Epcot was originally. But I am very aware what focus Disney has on their theme parks, and if anything, more IP will be added where there is none now, unfortunately.

imo....order of priority

1. Keep 3C (but I would be beyond-amazed if it's still here 5 years from now).
2. Return RdT as it was (but update film parts for current Mexico)...highly doubt this would ever be considered for one moment for reasons discussed et nauseum on seemingly every other thread lol.
3. Coco (admit most likely...but I can easily see how they can have Easter eggs from both 1.0 & 2.0...but very surprised this didn't happen several years ago)

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Yes, exactly. That is the difference between Aladdin and Song of the South. $$$

Good lord, this again?