WOL Demo coming ..

[HMF]

IP in WS doesn’t have to be bad, as long as it showcases those countries’ cultures. The problem is Disney hasn’t done that.

I do agree in a sense. My real issue with the IP thing is how the IP becomes more important than the topic of the pavilion. The way IP should be used at EPCOT was really how it was handled in Circle of Life because it actually handles it's topic head on. Since Nemo, The focus has shifted to where the IP is more important than the actual subject. Is the pavilion more about the Seas or Nemo?

 

[splash327]

Rather see The Rapunzel Boat ride in Germany...

 

[Moth]

IP in WS doesn’t have to be bad, as long as it showcases those countries’ cultures. The problem is Disney hasn’t done that.

Ratatouille? I think that's a good case study on it serving that purpose.

 

[Biff215]

In an age when visiting the actual countries is often cheaper than visiting Epcot, I think IP’s might be what keeps WS and the park in general in business.

 

[Jrb1979]

Ratatouille? I think that's a good case study on it serving that purpose.

IMO that's one of the only IPs that fit the country it's in. I wished they finished Epcot with it's original plans.

 

[HMF]

In an age when visiting the actual countries is often cheaper than visiting Epcot,

That is more of a statement on Disney's constant price gouging and financial exploitation of people than whether World Showcase has IP in it or not.

 

[Nickm2022]

NGL im happy about this, if they aren't gonna use it then demo it. Put a grassy tree filled hill to block the GOTG show building. Or my idea but the entrance to an EPCOT themed hotel here and build it behind World Discovery

 

[Smooth]

I thought this IP worked pretty good.

 

[Nickm2022]

Question, was the flooding issue ever fixed? could see that being the main reason if another flood occurred

 

[bmr1591]

Ratatouille? I think that's a good case study on it serving that purpose.

I think it would serve the purpose better had they allowed the queue to feature more info on French cuisine.

 

[jah4955]

IP in WS doesn’t have to be bad, as long as it showcases those countries’ cultures. The problem is Disney hasn’t done that.

The 3C Mexico overlay isn't terrible (but loved the original version too)...at least it showcases various Mexican sites c.2007 (& some footage of 3C 1944 was shot in Mexico, & film based, in-part, from on-site research by Disney artists)....

 

[Splash4eva]

That was the officially stated reason it and other projects were put on indefinite pause. You can believe otherwise if you want to, but there's really no reason to do so. The desire to memory hole what plainly happened in 2020/2021 is weird to me.

All while Uni built Epic

 

[James Alucobond]

All while Uni built Epic

Irrelevant, but okay? What someone else was doing at the time (which was also impacted in different ways) doesn't change what Disney did and why those decisions were made.

 

[Splash4eva]

Irrelevant, but okay? What someone else was doing at the time (which was also impacted in different ways) doesn't change what Disney did and why those decisions were made.

“Decisions” or excuses… so yes to me it is extremely relevant

 

[James Alucobond]

“Decisions” or excuses… so yes to me it is extremely relevant

No one was trying to compare which decisions were better or worse. It was just a statement of what happened. It might be relevant if you're determined to think negatively about everything, but it's not especially relevant to the topic.

 

[HMF]

The 3C Mexico overlay isn't terrible (but loved the original version too)...at least it showcases various Mexican sites c.2007 (& some footage of 3C 1944 was shot in Mexico, & film based, in-part, from on-site research by Disney artists)....

Maybe, but why is Jose' From Brazil then?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Maybe, but why is Jose' From Brazil then?

Jose was always from Brazil? His last name is literally "from Rio de Janiero"

Jose is a member of a travelling band along with Donald (from the US) and Panchito (from Mexico). They are playing a concert in Mexico City?? He doesn't have to be from Mexico to play a concert in Mexico??

 

[jah4955]

Maybe, but why is Jose' From Brazil then?

I always felt Three Caballeros as the "sequel" of sorts to Saludos Amigos (1942), where Jose was introduced as "created" by Disney artists during their 1941 "Goodwill tour" which, admittedly, concentrated on the South American continent. Three Caballeros opens with 2 (forgettable imo) shorts, re-introduces Jose with the Baia segment, but for the lion's share of the film he and Donald are given a flavor of Mexico by the Disney-created representative of Mexico Panchito. At that stage, Jose, like Donald, is "along for the (magic sarape) ride."

From everything I read, both films were very-well received by the respective cultures/countries that they represented (I know this can easily devolve into a political rabbit hole from here, but let's just say it was as good as anything produced by an American-based studio for that time; one objective with both the tour and the films was to have Latin America favor Allies over the Axis).

Again, the ride's not culturally "ideal" on many levels by any stretch, but certainly more correlated to Mexico overall than Olaf is to Norway.

 

[ChrisFL]

The idea of Saludos Amigos was very important, though I honestly haven't read too much about it or seen the documentary yet.

 

[jah4955]

The idea of Saludos Amigos was very important, though I honestly haven't read too much about it or seen the documentary yet.

"Saludos" is a chill movie and enjoyable period piece...hybrid of doc footage of the trip (some filmed by Walt), some restaged parts of the trip, and some shorts as "highlights" of the trip. Although considered feature-length at the time, film itself is only 42 minutes.

"Walt and El Groupo" does a great job detailing the trips behind "Saludos Amigos" & "Three Caballeros." My favorite part was the blending of various sites between 1941 & c.2008. It felt unexpectedly haunting at times. They were also able to interview some surviving individuals with connections to the 1941 trip. Well done (as was the book).