News Guest dies, found unresponsive after riding Stardust Racers

[lazyboy97o]

You don't need crayons. You're the one who needs large print. The family, has part of discovery, is entitled to the full report. The state, as part of its investigation is entitled to all, maybe some exceptions, of the report.

The public may be entitled to whatever is presented at trial. Government reports might be available under FOI.

The report will be public record. It has not been issued to any parties. Why do people keep lying about this?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Are you truly unable to surmise the situation that arose while he was on board? With a little sleuthing and probable hypothesis, it's a pretty easy conclusion. Yes it is exactly what people thought happened when the image of him surfaced showing he had an under-developed & different lower half of his body.

Some people shouldn't be riding thrill rides -- it sucks, and he shouldn't have been allowed on in the first place.

This was not Universal’s position. They spent millions accommodating such riders. Nor have manufacturers changed their guidance to reflect this position.

 

[flynnibus]

You don't need crayons. You're the one who needs large print. The family, has part of discovery, is entitled to the full report. The state, as part of its investigation is entitled to all, maybe some exceptions, of the report.

The public may be entitled to whatever is presented at trial. Government reports might be available under FOI.

Ride is open with restrictions. Guests who don't feel safe shouldn't Ride.

So now it's just caveat emptor for public safety on amusement rides? Good lord...

Guests who feel the restrictions shouldn't apply to them need to contact Universal. File an ADA compliant if the guest has an unresolved issue.

THE POINT. UNIVERSAL DOESN'T HAVE TO RELEASE additional information. Universal doesn't have to respond to poster requests on internet fan forums.

Nice strawman dude... try actually responding to the post's contents when you hit the button.

 

[flynnibus]

Are you truly unable to surmise the situation that arose while he was on board? With a little sleuthing and probable hypothesis, it's a pretty easy conclusion. Yes it is exactly what people thought happened when the image of him surfaced showing he had an under-developed & different lower half of his body.

Are you truly unable to differentiate between assumptions and actual factual investigations?

 

[flynnibus]

The report will be public record. It has not been issued to any parties. Why do people keep lying about this?

It's mind boggling how everyone suddenly be like "company said so... so why you mad bro?"

As if, the entire cycle of oversight and regulation suddenly vanished from the universe.

 

[lazyboy97o]

“The blue fire Megacoaster has a transfer system (lift) to enable guests with paraplegia (paralysis of both legs) who are unable to board to the train independently or with the help of an accompanying person to ride. If you would like to take advantage of this service, we would ask you to contact our attraction staff.”
Weird that Mack built and offers a lift if people with paraplegia shouldn’t be riding.

Guests in wheelchairs at Europa-Park

Our top priority is to enable you to have a carefree, safe and great stay at Europa-Park. Guests in wheelchairs will therefore find general information below, information on using

www.europapark.de

And it’s not an issue of the English website not yet being updated, as it’s on the German site too.

Gäste im Rollstuhl im Europa-Park

Unsere oberste Priorität ist es, Ihnen einen unbeschwerten, sicheren und großartigen Aufenthalt im Europa-Park zu ermöglichen. Gäste im Rollstuhl finden deswegen im Nachfolgenden

www.europapark.de

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Are you truly unable to surmise the situation that arose while he was on board? With a little sleuthing and probable hypothesis, it's a pretty easy conclusion.

It’s actually not though, because he died of blunt force trauma, and all the genius internet detectives seem to have come to the conclusion of “well yeah, obviously, he passed out and got bounced around and died of blunt force trauma” while ignoring the fact that modern roller coasters are designed to account for people passing out since that happens constantly and if passing out on a roller coasters was a death sentence then people would be dying on roller coasters on a near daily basis.

 

[ToTBellHop]

It’s actually not though, because he died of blunt force trauma, and all the genius internet detectives seem to have come to the conclusion of “well yeah, obviously, he passed out and got bounced around and died of blunt force trauma” while ignoring the fact that modern roller coasters are designed to account for people passing out since that happens constantly and if passing out on a roller coasters was a death sentence then people would be dying on roller coasters on a near daily basis.

Which is why I suspect there is more to the story and that this explains the claim that the ride operated as designed and is safe to reopen.

 

[lewisc]

The public may be entitled to whatever is presented at trial. Government reports might be available under FOI.

he report will be public record. It has not been issued to any parties. Why do people keep lying about this?

OK The report will probably be released under a FL law and not a FOI request.

In what world was my comment a lie?

The reports will be released when required, not when just requested by the media.

I don't know if any of the whiners in this thread are affected by the new rules. If so contact Universal..ADA complaint. People directly affected have a right to some information.

 

[Jon81uk]

“The blue fire Megacoaster has a transfer system (lift) to enable guests with paraplegia (paralysis of both legs) who are unable to board to the train independently or with the help of an accompanying person to ride. If you would like to take advantage of this service, we would ask you to contact our attraction staff.”
Weird that Mack built and offers a lift if people with paraplegia shouldn’t be riding.

Guests in wheelchairs at Europa-Park

Our top priority is to enable you to have a carefree, safe and great stay at Europa-Park. Guests in wheelchairs will therefore find general information below, information on using

www.europapark.de

And it’s not an issue of the English website not yet being updated, as it’s on the German site too.

Gäste im Rollstuhl im Europa-Park

Unsere oberste Priorität ist es, Ihnen einen unbeschwerten, sicheren und großartigen Aufenthalt im Europa-Park zu ermöglichen. Gäste im Rollstuhl finden deswegen im Nachfolgenden

www.europapark.de

Insurers have a huge part to play in the rules each park set. It is possible that Universals insurers caused the change either permanently or temporarily.

 

[lazyboy97o]

OK The report will probably be released under a FL law and not a FOI request.

In what world was my comment a lie?

The reports will be released when required, not when just requested by the media.

I don't know if any of the whiners in this thread are affected by the new rules. If so contact Universal..ADA complaint. People directly affected have a right to some information.

That the report will be public has been stated several times. But that doesn’t help you cast people as irrational whiners for thinking that should be known before declaring what happened and remedies as sufficient.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Insurers have a huge part to play in the rules each park set. It is possible that Universals insurers caused the change either permanently or temporarily.

We’re not talking about just some difference in policy. We’re talking about one instituted in response to an accidental death with the clear implication being that these changes will prevent another similar incident. Not killing riders is the concern of not just the operator but also the ride manufacturer.

Europa Park’s rules also counter the claim that a paraplegic never should have been allowed to ride in the first place. Mack, the manufacturer of Stardust Racers, very clearly had/has no issue with paraplegic guests riding their coasters.

 

[Jon81uk]

We’re not talking about just some difference in policy. We’re talking about one instituted in response to an accidental death with the clear implication being that these changes will prevent another similar incident. Not killing riders is the concern of not just the operator but also the ride manufacturer.

Europa Park’s rules also counter the claim that a paraplegic never should have been allowed to ride in the first place. Mack, the manufacturer of Stardust Racers, very clearly had/has no issue with paraplegic guests riding their coasters.

But it is entirely plausible that Universals lawyers do currently have a problem with certain guests riding some rides.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But it is entirely plausible that Universals lawyers do currently have a problem with certain guests riding some rides.

So what changed? And why don’t the several other companies involved have similar concerns?

 

[JT3000]

Are you truly unable to surmise the situation that arose while he was on board? With a little sleuthing and probable hypothesis, it's a pretty easy conclusion. Yes it is exactly what people thought happened when the image of him surfaced showing he had an under-developed & different lower half of his body.

Some people shouldn't be riding thrill rides -- it sucks, and he shouldn't have been allowed on in the first place.

I don't know why they even bothered with a proper investigation, since you already have this all figured out. Can you tell us the identity of the Zodiac Killer while you're at it?

 

[BrianLo]

This thread is wild. There’s some big misunderstandings of physiology going on - and well many more trite, too early, victory laps.

I’d point out the irony that @JT3000 is suddenly being accused of being the most anti-Universal. They should not be mercilessly attacked for something I suspect is rather personal for them, friends or family.

 

[JT3000]

I’d point out the irony that @JT3000 is suddenly being accused of being the most anti-Universal.

You have no idea. Universal made me turn in my 1-of-1 limited edition #1 Fanboy pin over this nonsense. The nerve!

 

[Jon81uk]

So what changed? And why don’t the several other companies involved have similar concerns?

Someone died is what changed. We don't know what any company (ride manufacturer, insurer or operator) is concerned about. But rules on the operation of rides does vary by country and region, both from government guidance and what risks the operators insurer is willing to take on.
In the UK there was a death on a rapids ride and the health & safety executive gave some guidance, but many parks are now very risk-averse with these rides now, going slightly further than the guidance, potentially due to the risks that insurers are comfortable with.

As in the entire theme of this discussion we don't know why all the decisions have been made, but there may well be a large number of companies, people and agencies involved. Or just specific people are risk-averse.

 

[lewisc]

So what changed? And why don’t the several other companies involved have similar concerns?

That's an excellent question. Posting it?

You're not going to get answers. Posters don't know.

Guests riding a theme park attraction shouldn't die from blunt force trauma.

I'll speculate months from now either Universal will nudge back or other parks will follow Universals example.

People impacted by the change should contact Universal. Maybe you'll get a good reason. Maybe you'll influence a tweak in policy. Maybe an ADA complaint is appropriate.
Or maybe the new policy is appropriate.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You're not going to get answers. Posters don't know.

We will know what happened…

I'll speculate months from now either Universal will nudge back or other parks will follow Universals example.

This is not how it works, how it should work and in no way is it an acceptable situation. The basic rider requirements are determined by the manufacturer, not the park. If guests are really at danger then the manufacturers need to be issuing guidance and other parks should have already made similar changes.

People impacted by the change should contact Universal. Maybe you'll get a good reason. Maybe you'll influence a tweak in policy. Maybe an ADA complaint is appropriate.
Or maybe the new policy is appropriate.

Why keep making suggestions that you know won’t result in anything? This isn’t really an ADA issue and guest relations isn’t going to even know specifics.