MK Piston Peak and Villains Land Construction Thread

[Timothy_Q]

Seems like they could address both these issues by just putting the whole ride in a show building, and surrounding the show building with rockwork like they did for the Frozen attraction in Fantasy Springs. Why even have it outside if they can't leverage the kinetic energy and it's going to likely be inoperable consistently?

The Frozen ride in TDS has theming on 1 side of the show building, not all 4

 

[jah4955]

Showbuildings are quite expensive.

I can't imagine the long-term maintenance expense being as much as the long-term maintenance of an attraction constantly exposed to the (Florida) elements?

 

[Starship824]

 

[lazyboy97o]

I can't imagine the long-term maintenance expense being as much as the long-term maintenance of an attraction constantly exposed to the (Florida) elements?

What is cheaper is entirely dependent on the specifics of what is being compared. The world’s most expensive theme park attraction, Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind, sits inside a large, unadorned warehouse. The world’s most expensive theme park, Epic Universe, has more outdoor attractions than indoor ones. It’s not a simple yes or no and there’s a reason shade is still brought up as a criticism of various projects isn’t because designers live somewhere else but the high cost of indoor, air conditioned space.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

The trees!

 

[jah4955]

What is cheaper is entirely dependent on the specifics of what is being compared. The world’s most expensive theme park attraction, Guardians of the Galaxy: Cosmic Rewind, sits inside a large, unadorned warehouse. The world’s most expensive theme park, Epic Universe, has more outdoor attractions than indoor ones. It’s not a simple yes or no and there’s a reason shade is still brought up as a criticism of various projects isn’t because designers live somewhere else but the high cost of indoor, air conditioned space.

Yes...you just reminded me of the logic I've read behind the original MK incarnation: large show buildings to keep the masses cool (it turned out most didn't want/expect a bunch of theater-like shows, but to be fair Disney also anticipated that much of their early draw would be senior citizens (the % of which in Florida seems to be going down: when I was a teen it was one in four, latest I read was one in five...and that was awhile ago).

 

[DrStarlander]

there’s a reason shade is still brought up as a criticism of various projects isn’t because designers live somewhere else but the high cost of indoor, air conditioned space.

The criticisms I've seen about lack of shade at some theme parks/lands isn't so much a desire for those spaces (Celestial Park in Epic Universe, for example) to be indoors and air conditioned instead, but rather to have (open air) shade structures, canopies, and mature trees. Even just umbrellas over all the benches would be a start.

 

[truecoat]

I am not an insider, but Google Earthing the still-standing building showed bus-sized parking spots and a series of signs out front, which appear to match other images I found in which the central one reads "Disney Imagination Campus" with marching bands posing in front of it. I'm guessing this was therefore tied into that program and might have served as a staging area for various school groups that participated in parades.

I've been in those buildings. This is the staging area for the marching bands. They have changing rooms and restrooms for the bands. After the band is ready, the chaperones were lead to a gate next to PotC to get into the park.

 

[JD80]

Are we killing puppies with that music? lol

 

[Nickm2022]

Will say it's hard to have outdoor attractions in Florida. However I do think putting an outdoor one in MK (ie cars) isn't to big of an issue given its offset by two indoor villains rides. Plus doest stop Test track, or Slinky, from eating up massive amounts of people and still looking great. Id also say when it comes to the show box I think it'll be more like 7D where its heavily themed from all angled which excites me

 

[lazyboy97o]

The criticisms I've seen about lack of shade at some theme parks/lands isn't so much a desire for those spaces (Celestial Park in Epic Universe, for example) to be indoors and air conditioned instead, but rather to have (open air) shade structures, canopies, and mature trees. Even just umbrellas over all the benches would be a start.

Celestial Park is also a land with outdoor attractions and only a few indoor shops near the front of the park. Toy Story Land, another often complained about land, is also largely composed of outdoor venues. Disney’s Animal Kingdom is well shaded with vegetation but being a hot and humid experience is a long standing complaint. These various lands don’t really have less shade than others in the space between venues, but the cumulative experience of being outdoors for so much of the experience ends up influencing perception.

 

[Nickm2022]

One hope for the new Frontierland is that of shaded walkways if they deliver on the promise of a national park full of trees vibe promised in the newer art

 

[Goofyernmost]

Showbuildings are quite expensive.

That's what I said, but this isn't about a show building, this is about that backstage possible building replacing the removed structure or mobile units that had been in that place. Let's face it though, Disney's uncanny ability to pay millions for nothing more than a thousands worth is unmatched.

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

Will say it's hard to have outdoor attractions in Florida. However I do think putting an outdoor one in MK (ie cars) isn't to big of an issue given its offset by two indoor villains rides.

Based on the only Villains Land concept art we have, it looks like 1 of the two attractions will be an outdoors roller coaster. I think a lot of us are just assuming the 2nd ride is an indoors massive E-Ticket scale ride, but there's no concrete info on that yet.

We could potentially be looking at an area of MK where Tiana, Thunder, Cars, and Villain's Coaster all have to go down with heavy rain.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Perhaps a tad extreme with the music don't you think?

 

[griffin ferrari]

From right now

 

[Disney Analyst]

I know we all know that it was always just cave themed rooms inside a box, hidden well on the island… but, seeing it torn apart really is something.

 

[veritas55]

Based on the only Villains Land concept art we have, it looks like 1 of the two attractions will be an outdoors roller coaster. I think a lot of us are just assuming the 2nd ride is an indoors massive E-Ticket scale ride, but there's no concrete info on that yet.

We could potentially be looking at an area of MK where Tiana, Thunder, Cars, and Villain's Coaster all have to go down with heavy rain.

Unlikely with the Villain's Coaster, at least with respect to rain (vs. lightning). The main issue with rain on coasters used to be it affected the friction brakes. Nowadays, most new coaster use principally magnetic brakes (and drive tires/ friction brakes for final stops), and can typically run in moderate rain, and even heavy rain -- although they may shut them down because it's unpleasant/painful for guests to get pelted at high speeds.

My guess is the Villains coaster will be indoor/outdoor and Vekoma (whom I suspect will be the manufacturer) will design this to withstand moderate rain (which means having block zone brakes under cover).

Heck, I recall riding Matterhorn Bobsleds through torrential rain showers.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Unlikely with the Villain's Coaster, at least with respect to rain (vs. lightning).

Since this is central Florida… lightning will close the coaster way more than rain ever would.

 

[veritas55]

Since this is central Florida… lightning will close the coaster way more than rain ever would.

yeah, that sounds right.