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News Guest dies, found unresponsive after riding Stardust Racers

celluloid

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When a man fell off and died at Six Flags Darien Lake from the Superman coaster shortly after it opened, after the investigation was done they didn't say anything. They reopened the coaster and did similar to Stardust Racers and added more warnings.

In the industry, this how they normally do it. IMO it's only cause it's Universal that many are making a bigger deal out it.

That is a bridge too far. It was clear why that man in 2011 at Darien Lake was killed with blunt force and falling out of his seat. He was not even close to the height requirement and missing both of his legs, one up to missing part of his hip. While Six Flags did reopen it quickly, the investigation revealed there were operator employees that did misunderstand and not properly follow training and should not have allowed him to even enter with him not meeting height requirement with missing legs, let alone allowing him to board the ride with no legs or lap.


It was also the second death of ejected rider on that coaster model, and a third total for that with two being at Darien Lake Location(a guest in 1999 was ejected before it had seatbelts due to body type.)

This is not really a 1:1 because Universal just publically stated again that operators followed all trained procedures on their end including the restrictions and that restraints are adequate(at least no public notice of restraint changes)
Six Flags had so many operator errors that compromised safety protocol with that final Darien Lake Ride of Steel Death.

Kevin had both of his legs. and According to Universal he was secured properly. It is fair to hopefully get clarification one day on what was the blunt force or multiple impact, since that what legally, per the medical examiner was the cause of death.
 
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mergatroid

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Features the latest statement from both Universal and Kevin's lawyer. I'm no quite sure why the guy presenting this claims that he believes that Kevin would have met the same fate on several other coasters he names, as it's still not clear how he received the blunt force trauma?

 
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lewisc

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Realistically, even if Universal and Mack threw money and resources at the problem, designed and tested without hiccups, and pushed approvals at full speed, you’d still be looking at spring break 2026 at the earliest.
I read on the web, so it must be true, Mack has additional vest based restraints which could be installed.

Install them on one of the 2 coasters. Similar to Mission Space. Which version do you want to ride?.😀
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
Premium Member
Original Poster
I read on the web, so it must be true, Mack has additional vest based restraints which could be installed.

Install them on one of the 2 coasters. Similar to Mission Space. Which version do you want to ride?.😀

Now manufacture enough to support Stardust + future maintenance, get them to the US, painted/themed to UO's standards, and installed.
 

mkt

When a paradise is lost go straight to Disney™
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Allegedly 3 hours ago.

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Gringrinngghost

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These Changes, specifically "Guests using mobility devices must be able to walk independently." at now are at:
Forbidden Journey, Hagrids, Velicoaster, Monsters Unchained, Dragon Racer's Rally, and Stardust.

The Bigger Change is that they did change that they went from "you should" to "you must" for every attraction.

Before: You should be able to independently: (1) maintain an upright position, (2) support your torso, neck, and head while absorbing sudden and dramatic movements, and (3) brace your body with at least one natural upper extremity.

After: "You must be able to independently: (1) maintain an upright position, (2) support your torso, neck, and head while absorbing sudden and dramatic movements, and (3) brace your body with at least one natural upper extremity."

Comparisons: USF/IOA: https://draftable.com/compare/yLkYpFQOgBpV
Epic Universe: https://draftable.com/compare/acfFYoXsyGeF
 

lewisc

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Ah, I was hoping to ride it some day? 🤷‍♂️
I rode ToT when a long lap bar restrained and entire row. More airtime if you sat next to a hefty guest

I rode ToT in Japan. A car type seat belt including a shoulder strap.

You might want to ride sooner rather then later.

I wouldn't be surprised to see restraint upgrades and increased braking. For guest "comfort" not for safety.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
While I’d love to hear an explanation also if this was a result of his disability they’d be walking a thin line on victim blaming, the backlash could be a nightmare. It could also be viewed as admitting liability since they let him ride.

I’m sure they could carefully craft a statement to tiptoe around blaming the victim but just saying everything worked as designed and Uni, the manufacturer, and the state have all determined it’s safe to reopen is a less risky PR statement .

All that boils down to answering the question with “i dunno…”. - that really isn’t viable IMO
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
My point is that when deaths have happened on coasters, that for the most part they reopened with little PR or a big news story on what happened.

You’re trying to say they opened without any investigation into the death?

Yeah ok….

There has only been statements made to date…
 

Jrb1979

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I rode ToT when a long lap bar restrained and entire row. More airtime if you sat next to a hefty guest

I rode ToT in Japan. A car type seat belt including a shoulder strap.

You might want to ride sooner rather then later.

I wouldn't be surprised to see restraint upgrades and increased braking. For guest "comfort" not for safety.
I honestly doubt it will happen. It's too costly to change trains and restraints. Most people like the way the restraints are now. They are very safe and also let's riders experience the air time better.
 

Jrb1979

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You’re trying to say they opened without any investigation into the death?

Yeah ok….

There has only been statements made to date…
I'm not saying that either. I'm sure they have done all of that and more. They wouldn't be opening it if they hadn't.

I'm saying is Universal knows what likely happened and after multiple inspections have determined the ride is safe. Due to the lawsuit sitl going on they won't release information til it's done as it could harm their case.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member


These Changes, specifically "Guests using mobility devices must be able to walk independently." at now are at:
Forbidden Journey, Hagrids, Velicoaster, Monsters Unchained, Dragon Racer's Rally, and Stardust.

The Bigger Change is that they did change that they went from "you should" to "you must" for every attraction.

Before: You should be able to independently: (1) maintain an upright position, (2) support your torso, neck, and head while absorbing sudden and dramatic movements, and (3) brace your body with at least one natural upper extremity.

After: "You must be able to independently: (1) maintain an upright position, (2) support your torso, neck, and head while absorbing sudden and dramatic movements, and (3) brace your body with at least one natural upper extremity."

Comparisons: USF/IOA: https://draftable.com/compare/yLkYpFQOgBpV
Epic Universe: https://draftable.com/compare/acfFYoXsyGeF


Interesting… i had not seen the ..support…’ language before. Based on assumptions so far… i think that helps uni’s position. I mean they are still gonna payout… but i think it opens the door a bit more to being clear what was expected of the rider to determine before deciding to ride.

Still makes it hard to enforce… but is a hell of a lot better than ‘back problems’
 

Gringrinngghost

Well-Known Member
Interesting… i had not seen the ..support…’ language before. Based on assumptions so far… i think that helps uni’s position. I mean they are still gonna payout… but i think it opens the door a bit more to being clear what was expected of the rider to determine before deciding to ride.

Still makes it hard to enforce… but is a hell of a lot better than ‘back problems’
I wonder how this works with their internal acronym ABLE (I will possibly find out soon)
When I was attached to the company, they used the acronym "ABLE" for riders. Its basically was 1. Are you able to absorb the sudden movements while supporting of your torso, neck and head. 2. Able to brace your upper body while being able to maintain rider posture. 3. Able to meet the limb requirements. Lastly at 4, Able to experience the attraction by yourself and without the need of a device or third party.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
after multiple inspections have determined the ride is safe

That is not what has been done. Inspections don’t decide what is safe or not - they check against a standard. The existing standard was defined on what was PREVIOUSLY determined to be safe.

The point of all accident investigations includes validating the prior standard against reality.

You don’t conclude an investigation in a day or two… and no one has published any findings… including to the family (at least since at ghe time of the last pc).

Imagine being the family and being stonewalled of any information at this point.
 

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