MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[mickEblu]

To the very few people who experienced it.

Sure. Although the experience on the island is only part of the value the ROA complex provides.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

To the very few people who experienced it.

Everybody experienced it. Even those staying at Grand Floridian and not visiting the parks experienced the sound of the riverboat echoing from the park.

Will everybody in the park also experience Piston Peak and the waterfalls and rock work? Yes.

I feel like the turning mills, River traffic, and guests on the swinging and barrel bridges all added to the charm of MK - even if you skipped a visit to the best AA chickens the world has ever known.

 

[Chi84]

Sure. Although the experience on the island is only part of the value the ROA complex provides.

I absolutely understand what you’re saying but that ship has sailed and it’s not making a return trip.

Only a few generations “grew up alongside” the original Disney and they are lessening by the day.

As sad as it is, Disney means something entirely different to younger generations and management knows this. That doesn’t mean they don’t understand the parks; they’re just not aiming to please a dying demographic.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

That doesn’t mean they don’t understand the parks; they’re just not aiming to please a dying demographic.

Dying? I’ve hopefully got another 4 or 5 decades left of visiting Disney!

 

[easyrowrdw]

I absolutely understand what you’re saying but that ship has sailed and it’s not making a return trip.

Only a few generations “grew up alongside” the original Disney and they are lessening by the day.

As sad as it is, Disney means something entirely different to younger generations and management knows this. That doesn’t mean they don’t understand the parks; they’re just not aiming to please a dying demographic.

Virtually everyone who visited MK experienced with the river. That's every generation for the last 50 years.

In my experience, kids (not all, of course) are the ones who enjoyed Tom Sawyer's Island the most. They're not dying.

 

[Andrew C]

It was charming....as was the river vista for that whole quadrant of the park... The Riverboat was a lovely break from the crowds.... THe ROA and TSI were never about volume....though in the early days they sure did their share... They were the special attractions that were not a mob scene that gave everyone a break from the crowds...a much needed break... Now it is just going to be crazy lines and more lines, and the idea of doing anything leisurely will eventually disappear completely... It will be a mad exhausting dash on every day of your vacation.... now hurry up or you will miss your quick-serve reservation and your scheduled bathroom time! You paid an extra $129 for that!!

Yep...this change isn't happening in a vacuum.,..

 

[phillip9698]

I absolutely understand what you’re saying but that ship has sailed and it’s not making a return trip.

Only a few generations “grew up alongside” the original Disney and they are lessening by the day.

As sad as it is, Disney means something entirely different to younger generations and management knows this. That doesn’t mean they don’t understand the parks; they’re just not aiming to please a dying demographic.

I look at it like this, one of the primary defenses for keeping the river was that it was already there.

If there was an expansion going into any of the parks today and part of its sales pitch was that roughly 25 acres would be taken up for 2 attractions that combined would service 500 guests an hour there would screaming of gross negligence from people everywhere.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

There has to be a happy medium. If Walt got his way there wouldnt even be a MK, there would be some sort of defunct city in its place. Roy said it made business sense to put a "Disneyland" on the east coast to actually make some money before doing whatever Epcot would be.

Its not an either or thing.

I think it has been shown the best leadership for Disney is a creative leader but a very strong business person right there with them. With only one it doesn't work but ideally the creative person is the one driving things more, but not without some restraint

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If there was an expansion going into any of the parks today and part of its sales pitch was that roughly 25 acres would be taken up for 2 attractions

The Disneyland Paris expansion includes a large body of water that is about the same size as the lower portion of the Rivers of America.

 

[BrianLo]

100!? Didn’t expect to hear this. Wow, so it must have been even more charming and felt like more of a break from the rest of the park than I thought.

The secret here is that the entire WDW complex is one giant Rivers of America. Take intra resort boat transit and resort hop. You can do it for days for free.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The secret here is that the entire WDW complex is one giant Rivers of America. Take intra resort boat transit and resort hop. You can do it for days for free.

Yea, if you want to see water features LEAVE THE MK and go to Disney Springs and please be sure to buy something when you are there, the tenants need to pay the rent

 

[mickEblu]

The secret here is that the entire WDW complex is one giant Rivers of America. Take intra resort boat transit and resort hop. You can do it for days for free.

I get that point and it’s one reason that provides me a little reassurance that they wouldn’t pull this stunt here at Disneyland. With that said, I still think the MK is being downgraded regardless of whether similar activities or areas exist outside of the park or not. I also don’t think that water + boats is necessarily a 1:1 comparison with a romanticed version of some of our countries rivers from a bygone era with a working steamboat going around it.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The secret here is that the entire WDW complex is one giant Rivers of America. Take intra resort boat transit and resort hop. You can do it for days for free.

It’s not a secret, it’s just a weird non sequitor. The Rivers of America aren’t some ride in a box hiding behind a facade. It’s the central organizing element of the land. It’s like claiming the existence Sunshine Pavilion has an impact on the experience of Asia in Disney’s Animal Kingdom.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It was a recommendation that I think people who like the River sleep on. It’s free and overlooked.

I do enjoy the various boats that transport guests around the property - a moonlit cruise from port orleans to Disney springs is hard to beat!

But none are the same experience as a ride on the Liberty Belle or Mark Twain.

 

[Chi84]

Virtually everyone who visited MK experienced with the river. That's every generation for the last 50 years.

In my experience, kids (not all, of course) are the ones who enjoyed Tom Sawyer's Island the most. They're not dying.

That’s not what I meant at all. There’s a difference between going on an attraction and truly appreciating it for how it fits into the park and essential Disney. The people who grew up at the time Disney was created and initially expanded are the generations I’m talking about.

I disagree that kids were enjoying TSI because I don’t think many of them were going there. I know mine never cared for it and didn’t take their kids. And the numbers show we were not the outliers.

 

[CoastalElite64]

I do enjoy the various boats that transport guests around the property - a moonlit cruise from port orleans to Disney springs is hard to beat!

But none are the same experience as a ride on the Liberty Belle or Mark Twain.

But if WDW had to get rid of one boat service which one would have a bigger impact to guests? Which one is utilized more?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

But if WDW had to get rid of one boat service which one would have a bigger impact to guests? Which one is utilized more?

If I had to pick 1….. Epcot friendship service.

 

[easyrowrdw]

That’s not what I meant at all. There’s a difference between going on an attraction and truly appreciating it for how it fits into the park and essential Disney. The people who grew up at the time Disney was created and initially expanded are the generations I’m talking about.

I disagree that kids were enjoying TSI because I don’t think many of them were going there. I know mine never cared for it and didn’t take their kids. And the numbers show we were not the outliers.

I agree that people have different experiences with the parks. But I don't think only older generations appreciate the parks and how attractions fit into them. But I also think I'm still not understanding what you're getting at.

I didn't say otherwise. I said kids were the ones who enjoyed it most. (I also said, not all of them so that would include your kids.) It wasn't adults firing the rifles or running out of the escape tunnel or across the barrel bridge; it was kids. Okay, I might have done the latter lol The island was nice for adults, but it was made for kids.

 

[Chi84]

I agree that people have different experiences with the parks. But I don't think only older generations appreciate the parks and how attractions fit into them. But I also think I'm still not understanding what you're getting at.

I didn't say otherwise. I said kids were the ones who enjoyed it most. (I also said, not all of them so that would include your kids.) It wasn't adults firing the rifles or running out of the escape tunnel or across the barrel bridge; it was kids. Okay, I might have done the latter lol The island was nice for adults, but it was made for kids.

Yes it was. And there was a time when a lot of kids enjoyed those things.

But fewer and fewer kids visited over the years and the attractions were not popular and poorly attended.

There’s so much to do at WDW that parents gravitated away from the river attractions.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Lets see what we end up with in about 10 years for Villain’s land.

Maybe they will create something good, but it’s so far away, who knows if plans change.

Not a matter of "if plans change" it is more of a question of how many times will the plans change before they think everyone has forgotten about it and for some reason never happens.