MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

While they are both bad ideas, I don't think another Covid situation is coming to de-rail the Cars project and leave us with nothing there.

Funnily enough there’s big Covid outbreaks in 30 states right now, so history could be repeating itself. I hope not!

 

[mickEblu]

How are you in here speaking on the use of an attraction you have never even visited?

Not sure what this has to do with anything. Just because I have not visited MKs version means I don’t understand the design intent or what it provides the park? I never said I knew exact numbers. I said “I think.”

This thread has tens of thousands of posts. I’ve seen more saying that the steamboat/ island had decent ridership/ visitors than those saying the steamboat / island was a Ghost town. Any avid MK goers or AP’s - please feel free to chime in.

 

[Charlie The Chatbox Ghost]

Well since it’s your opinion, I think it’s not fair to say they think nothing is sacred? I would not dream of calling the subs or steamboat sacred. But Haunted Mansion in some capacity is sacred to me. Same with our people mover.

I’d argue the most sacred attraction we have is the Country Bears. It’s the original, it’s the only one left in the US, and the mere thought of removing it caused such an uproar they decided to keep it. It’s the first true MK original, and even though it’s a new setlist now, those characters are sacred to MK. As long as Henry and the gang all exist forever at MK, I don’t care what songs they play. They’re just important to the park.

 

[phillip9698]

Not sure what this has to do with anything. Just because I have not visited MKs version means I don’t understand the design intent or what it provides the park? I never said I knew exact numbers. I said “I think.”

This thread has tens of thousands of posts. I’ve seen more saying that the steamboat/ island had decent ridership/ visitors than those saying the steamboat / island was a Ghost town. Any avid MK goers or AP’s - please feel free to chime in.

"Decent ridership" is a far cry from"I don't think the new Cars attraction will draw more capacity than the riverboat and TSI".

When fans here say decent ridership, they are speaking in relation to the designed intent of the attraction. If the attraction is meant to be a reprieve from the hustle and bustle of the parks and provide some space and quietness, then being half empty is "decent" I guess.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Although Universal makes it look easy, I agree, nothing is easy, especially for Disney.

The current plan was probably less difficult and cheaper and that is why Disney chose to go this way.

Theme is no longer in the equation; now it just trying to jam an IP in any way they can.

Kissing the ground of the company that is NOTORIOUS for replacing all of their classic attractions is certainly… a choice here. Jaws, Twister, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Kong, Shrek, Dueling Dragons, I mean a lot of these were Universals bread and butter. Imagine the outrage if Disney replaced Haunted Mansion because it was too pricey to run (despite having the popularity)

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Although Universal makes it look easy, I agree, nothing is easy, especially for Disney.

The current plan was probably less difficult and cheaper and that is why Disney chose to go this way.

Theme is no longer in the equation; now it just trying to jam an IP in any way they can.

Kissing the ground of the company that is NOTORIOUS for replacing all of their classic attractions is certainly… a choice here. Jaws, Twister, Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Kong, Shrek, Dueling Dragons, I mean a lot of these were Universals bread and butter. Imagine the outrage if Disney replaced Haunted Mansion because it was too pricey to run (despite having the popularity)

 

[mickEblu]

"Decent ridership" is a far cry from"I don't think the new Cars attraction will draw more capacity than the riverboat and TSI".

When fans here say decent ridership, they are speaking in relation to the designed intent of the attraction. If the attraction is meant to be a reprieve from the hustle and bustle of the parks and provide some space and quietness, then being half empty is "decent" I guess.

Decent ridership meaning good ridership. I’m not going to make the claim that it’s was great or full on every trip. I’m still waiting for an avid park goer or AP to tell me that what I said is far fetched. Is it far fetched to say that the Cars ride might not even have as much capacity as the island and steamboat combined? Based on what I’ve seen and heard I don’t think so. I don’t think it’s wild to say that capacity gains won’t really come until Villains land opens up.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Decent ridership meaning good ridership. I’m not going to make the claim that it’s was great or full on every trip. I’m still waiting for an avid park goer or AP to tell me that what I said is far fetched. Is it far fetched to say that the Cars ride might not even have as much capacity as the island and steamboat combined? Based on what I’ve seen and heard I don’t think so. I don’t think it’s wild to say that capacity gains won’t really come until Villains land opens up.

The absolute max guest capacity for the river boat per ride is 450 riders per trip. 2 trips every hour (each take 20 minutes around the rivers, not including load/unload/general stops etc)

900 riders per hours at MAXIMUM, worse than almost any other ride in Disney World. That's about Peter Pan's flight levels with a space that is around 14x the size. It's like 1/2 or 1/3 of Small World's levels as well. As an absolute maximum. I ask you this, when was the last time you saw the riverboat line closed off for capacity? I frequent Frontierland and have never seen it once get caught off due to capacity. Goes to show how little people go on that section. Even a simple flat ride (like Maters Junkyard) would get to about that level of people with 1/20 of the space required.

 

[mickEblu]

The absolute max guest capacity for the river boat per ride is 450 riders per trip. 2 trips every hour (each take 20 minutes around the rivers, not including load/unload/general stops etc)

900 riders per hours at MAXIMUM, worse than almost any other ride in Disney World. That's about Peter Pan's flight levels with a space that is around 14x the size. It's like 1/2 or 1/3 of Small World's levels as well. As an absolute maximum. I ask you this, when was the last time you saw the riverboat line closed off for capacity? I frequent Frontierland and have never seen it once get caught off due to capacity. Goes to show how little people go on that section. Even a simple flat ride (like Maters Junkyard) would get to about that level of people with 1/20 of the space required.

Ok and how many people were visiting the island?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Ok and how many people were visiting the island?

I've seen the estimates for the Radiator Springs ride that this will most likely be somewhat similar to having an hourly capacity of between 1,000-1,500 people. With this attraction most likely being atleast a bit smaller and a similar idea to it, it would be a quicker ride overall and probably do more than that, but being SUPER generous would give us only 1,000 people which I can personally guarantee is no way consistently on that island at any point.

This is also only taking about the FRONT half of the ROA + TSI, the later half has a new rollercoaster and what some believe to be a new boat ride. Using similarish rides (Expedition since outdoor coaster with no dual loading station + Frozen Ever After which is a fairly low capacity boat ride just to be as fair as remotely possible) gives you an additional 3,000 guests per hour.

The only way this expansion loses or matches capacity is if, somehow, 4,000 people are on TSI every single hour or around 10% of the entire park is on TSI at each hour. I'm going to say I doubt that.

 

[mickEblu]

I've seen the estimates for the Radiator Springs ride that this will most likely be somewhat similar to having an hourly capacity of between 1,000-1,500 people. With this attraction most likely being atleast a bit smaller and a similar idea to it, it would be a quicker ride overall and probably do more than that, but being SUPER generous would give us only 1,000 people which I can personally guarantee is no way consistently on that island at any point.

This is also only taking about the FRONT half of the ROA + TSI, the later half has a new rollercoaster and what some believe to be a new boat ride. Using similarish rides (Expedition since outdoor coaster with no dual loading station + Frozen Ever After which is a fairly low capacity boat ride just to be as fair as remotely possible) gives you an additional 3,000 guests per hour.

The only way this expansion loses or matches capacity is if, somehow, 4,000 people are on TSI every single hour or around 10% of the entire park is on TSI at each hour. I'm going to say I doubt that.

So you don’t think the riverboat + island sees 1,000 people per hour?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

So you don’t think the riverboat + island sees 1,000 people per hour?

I think it may barely crack that, but that would be 1/4 of the new attractions capacity. Meaning this would effectively quadruple the capacity.

 

[mickEblu]

I think it may barely crack that, but that would be 1/4 of the new attractions capacity. Meaning this would effectively quadruple the capacity.

I think you are probably low balling the numbers the steamboat/ TSI do and greatly overestimating the numbers the cars ride will do. 4,000 riders per hour? That isn’t remotely possible.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

I think you are probably low balling the numbers the steamboat/ TSI do and greatly overestimating the numbers the cars ride will do. 4,000 riders per hour? That isn’t remotely possible.

I'm possibly low balling but the actual capacity that you can look up is 450 guests at 1 time. That is an actual capacity and backed up by similar boats having a similar but slightly higher capacity due to the the lack of theming on those boats. Then the actual ride time for the riverboat is about 20 minutes. Meaning you can get 2 trips in per hour (2.5 or so but I digress)

The Cars ride at Disneyland sees a capacity of around 1,000-1,500 hourly.

I was generous to put in a capacity of 1,000 for this even though our rides capacity would be most likely on the higher end of that due to its shorter size.

Mators Junkyard Jamboree (a ride heavily suspected to be the secondary attraction in the area) has a capacity of approximately 600 per hour.

Villians land is ALSO replacing this area. I calculated Maleficient's ride capacity to be similar to Expedition Everest due to an outdoor themed coaster with show scenes and a single load station platform. That ride can serve a total of 2,000 riders per hour (everything is theoretical)

The other ride people have no real idea about but since a front runner that would be fair is a boat ride, I'm going with a lower capacity boat ride with Frozen Ever After (only 1,000 guests per hour compared to the juggernauts of POC and IASW at 2,000 guests per hour)

1,000 + 600 + 2,000 + 1,000 = 4,600 total RIDE capacity, not counting the new dining and shopping confirmed that would certainly take up capacity. There is no reasonable way that a ride that can't even crank out 900 riders per hour as a MAXIMUM would be able to touch that even with a "quiet and remote" island that people love because its NOT busy. The absolute maximum you can even give the island is a ridiculous 1,000 people per hour which I dont think it touches even during a busy season as that would require every raft (every 5 minutes about) to fully load its 55 people and be operating at peak efficiency.


It's a complete decimation in a numbers game and it isnt even close.

 

[mickEblu]

I'm possibly low balling but the actual capacity that you can look up is 450 guests at 1 time. That is an actual capacity and backed up by similar boats having a similar but slightly higher capacity due to the the lack of theming on those boats. Then the actual ride time for the riverboat is about 20 minutes. Meaning you can get 2 trips in per hour (2.5 or so but I digress)

The Cars ride at Disneyland sees a capacity of around 1,000-1,500 hourly.

I was generous to put in a capacity of 1,000 for this even though our rides capacity would be most likely on the higher end of that due to its shorter size.

Mators Junkyard Jamboree (a ride heavily suspected to be the secondary attraction in the area) has a capacity of approximately 600 per hour.

Villians land is ALSO replacing this area. I calculated Maleficient's ride capacity to be similar to Expedition Everest due to an outdoor themed coaster with show scenes and a single load station platform. That ride can serve a total of 2,000 riders per hour (everything is theoretical)

The other ride people have no real idea about but since a front runner that would be fair is a boat ride, I'm going with a lower capacity boat ride with Frozen Ever After (only 1,000 guests per hour compared to the juggernauts of POC and IASW at 2,000 guests per hour)

1,000 + 600 + 2,000 + 1,000 = 4,600 total RIDE capacity, not counting the new dining and shopping confirmed that would certainly take up capacity. There is no reasonable way that a ride that can't even crank out 900 riders per hour as a MAXIMUM would be able to touch that even with a "quiet and remote" island that people love because its NOT busy. The absolute maximum you can even give the island is a ridiculous 1,000 people per hour which I dont think it touches even during a busy season as that would require every raft (every 5 minutes about) to fully load its 55 people and be operating at peak efficiency.


It's a complete decimation in a numbers game and it isnt even close.

Ok but in this post you are again not considering the numbers that the island was pulling and also mentioning Villains Land which wasn’t part of my post. My comparison was the Cars ride(s) to the steamboat + island.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Ok but in this post you are again not considering the numbers that the island was pulling and also mentioning Villains Land which wasn’t part of my post. My comparison was the Cars ride(s) to the steamboat + island.

I dont think its fair to split something that is replacing a 14 acre piece of land here and only allowing the smaller 4-6 acres to count and call it a "capacity decrease" or something. But even if you want to do that, Tom Sawyer island + the Riverboat is not likely to be getting over 1,500 guests per hour consistently.

 

[mickEblu]

I dont think its fair to split something that is replacing a 14 acre piece of land here and only allowing the smaller 4-6 acres to count and call it a "capacity decrease" or something. But even if you want to do that, Tom Sawyer island + the Riverboat is not likely to be getting over 1,500 guests per hour consistently.

It all makes sense in the context of my original post and I mentioned that Villains land would be when the capacity actually increased in a meaningful way.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

It all makes sense in the context of my original post and I mentioned that Villains land would be when the capacity actually increased in a meaningful way.

Then yes, the capacity with Villians land would be the more meaningful increase with this other part being a more moderate increase of approximately 200-300 people per hour or around 2,400 people per day for just this smaller parcel of land.

 

[mickEblu]

Then yes, the capacity with Villians land would be the more meaningful increase with this other part being a more moderate increase of approximately 200-300 people per hour or around 2,400 people per day for just this smaller parcel of land.

Ok so then let’s assume these numbers are right ( I still think the island is pulling more) why were those posters reacting like what I said was a wild take?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Ok so then let’s assume these numbers are right ( I still think the island is pulling more) why were those posters reacting like what I said was a wild take?

Would just like to point out that you believe that with an average daily attendance of 48k people, you believe that over 19,000 or a bit under half of everyone in the park is going on the Riverboat or TSI per day? You certainly have a lot more faith in the ROA than Disney or any sane engineer.