MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[WorldExplorer]

I’ve said it before but I really would love to know how we ended up with this. It’s not a natural decision that anyone would make - they must have taken quite a twisting and turning alternate route to get here.

It's a natural decision to make if you only care about monetizing everything.

Did you pay extra to look at those nice trees? No? Who cares!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Sooooooo, judging from the Touring Plans thing... are Astro Orbitor and Casey Jr. Splash and Soak Station next on the chopping block?

I’m not sure why Astro is so low on the list unless people really don’t like the elevator ride? The extra height makes the attraction much more unique compared to traditional spinners.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I’m not sure what Astro is so low on the list unless people really don’t like the elevator ride? The extra height makes the attraction much more unique compared to traditional spinners.

I could see the wait for the elevator and just that whole process to give negative vibes to the experience and shows up in the ratings

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Sooooooo, judging from the Touring Plans thing... are Astro Orbitor and Casey Jr. Splash and Soak Station next on the chopping block?

Just not sure what else they would do with the Astro Orbiter spot, plus they just redid it

I could see the whole Circus are being up for a redo in the future

 

[jah4955]

Just not sure what else they would do with the Astro Orbiter spot, plus they just redid it

I could see the whole Circus are being up for a redo in the future

That corner has been problematic for arguably 3 decades now. The original concept art for New Fantasyland had it revamped for pixies (which virtually no one wanted anyway; I'm glad they axed that), then they ended-up keeping the tents (that in 1988 were meant to be temporary) to have it coincide with Dumbo and for a conveniently located M&G. It's for that latter reason I'm skeptical anything will change there for the foreseeable future.

 

[Brer Panther]

I thought the addition of Dinsey songs to the Country Bear Jamboree made it more popular. Shouldn't it be higher in the poll?

 

[HMF]

They definitely care, a lot. But in aggregate, they don’t love any of us individually. There is no singular fan. If we needed to reach uniform consensus I think the best we could do is plant a bush 7 miles off property.

I brought it up because I was surprised how poorly those two attractions did.

They definitely don't care what I think. Because if I were in charge most of the executives in Burbank and Orlando would be collecting un-employment benefits.

 

[HMF]

It's a natural decision to make if you only care about monetizing everything.

And that is literally all they care about.

 

[phillip9698]

I don’t think the Cars ride(s) on its own will have more capacity than the island/ steamboat in any meaningful way, if at all.

They will have more used capacity. Theoretical capacity is meaningless if people don't actually visit the attraction.

The riverboat and island were attractions that caused people to talk out of both sides of their mouth. In one statement people say "The riverboat and island have greater capacity than whatever they will replace it with, if the plan is to keep capacity high then they should keep the river." And then when people bring up that capacity is meaningless when faced with low utilization they say "that's the beauty of the attraction, it's an area designed for low utilization and a change of pace".

Undoubtedly someone will chime in with the "the MK needs those slower areas to just get away to balance out the park" argument. I'm not saying it doesn't, what I'm saying is you cant use the capacity argument with an attraction that has utilization as low as the river and island had.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I don't know if under prior leadership it could "easily" be done either - would it be more possible, sure but I think people through out "easily" too, well, easily b/c it is easy to draw it on a piece of paper... But at some point you ah e to look at trade offs and increased costs, etc - and where that trade off line is would be different for different regimes, but doesn't mean at any time it would be "easy"

Although Universal makes it look easy, I agree, nothing is easy, especially for Disney.

The current plan was probably less difficult and cheaper and that is why Disney chose to go this way.

Theme is no longer in the equation; now it just trying to jam an IP in any way they can.

 

[mickEblu]

They will have more used capacity. Theoretical capacity is meaningless if people don't actually visit the attraction.

The riverboat and island were attractions that caused people to talk out of both sides of their mouth. In one statement people say "The riverboat and island have greater capacity that whatever they will replace it with, if the plan is to keep capacity high then they should keep the river." And then when people bring up that capacity is meaningless when faced with low utilization they say "that's the beauty of the attraction, it's an area designed for low utilization and a change of pace".

Undoubtedly someone will chime in with the "the MK needs those slower areas to just get away to balance out the park argument. I'm not saying it doesn't, what I'm saying is you cant use the capacity argument with an attraction that has utilization as low as the river and island had.

No, I’m saying I don’t think this new Cars Ride will see more riders per hour than guests who visited the island and rode the steamboat combined… in any meaningful way or at all.

Also, because of the sheer amount of space they took up between the island/ river and the fact that it hosted a steamboat ride, both of those things could absolutely be true. That the island and river could be a relaxing break from the rest of the park while surpassing or matching the capacity of one measley cars ride and whatever other secondary attraction or kids area they have planned.

Lastly, the “break” a guest would experience isn’t just about being around fewer people but it’s also about spatial design like Lazyboy likes to say. It’s psychological. People can’t walk on water. Water is relaxing to human beings. Shade under large trees is relaxing to human beings. You can stand in line for rides all over the rest of the 4 parks. It’s a “break” and/ or different from the usual things a guest does or sees all day long when visiting the parks.

School is always in session here folks. Including Sundays.

 

[phillip9698]

No, I’m saying I don’t think this new Cars Ride will see more riders per hour than guests who visited the island and rode the steamboat combined… in any meaningful way or at all.

If that happens then it can only mean one of two things, the Cars attractions are either non functional for large periods of the day or they are so God awful people actively avoid them.

If the Cars attractions are functioning, and good, there is no way the capacity they draw would be less than that ghost town of an island and empty riverboat.

 

[mickEblu]

If the Cars attractions are functioning, and good, there is no way the capacity they draw could be less than that ghost town of an island and empty riverboat.

Neither of these things is remotely true from what I understand. But I’ll let avid MK goers be the judge.

 

[Jedi14]

No, I’m saying I don’t think this new Cars Ride will see more riders per hour than guests who visited the island and rode the steamboat combined… in any meaningful way or at all.

I feel like your both overestimating the amount of people going to the boat/island, and underestimating the amount of people who would ride the new Cars ride.

 

[phillip9698]

Neither of these things is remotely true from what I understand. But I’ll let avid MK goers be the judge.

When is the last time you went to TSI? The last 3 trips i took my kids over there, we were just about alone.

It was just groups of older people taking pictures back towards the park, our kids, and then people just sitting on benches. Almost nobody was out there actually exploring the play area.

 

[mickEblu]

When is the last time you went to TSI? The last 3 trips i took my kids over there, we were just about alone.

Never. At Disneyland, a couple a months ago.

 

[mickEblu]

I feel like your both overestimating the amount of people going to the boat/island, and underestimating the amount of people who would ride the new Cars ride.

I can only go by what avid MK goers have said here and videos I’ve seen online

 

[phillip9698]

Never. At Disneyland, a couple a months ago.

Jesus Christ.

How are you in here speaking on the use of an attraction you have never even visited?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Its fun to read the arguing and rationalizations to justify the destruction of RoA, ISI and Liberty Bell.

In 3 to 5 years when the cars thing is open for previews we will see the queue snake through what was once called Frontierland. Who knows what it will be called by then.

Folks will say, "See I was right! Many, many more folks want to go on Cars then went to...... What was that again??"

Cheers will be heard within the walls of the Disney company. Add another gem to all to Iger's (legacy?).

 

[Chi84]

How are you in here speaking on the use of an attraction you have never even visited?

It explains what he’s saying though.