MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TheMaxRebo]

This addresses nothing I said.

talked about how things are spaced out and arranged in their desing ... guess I just don't understand what you said them/am not smart enough

 

[KDM31091]

I would love to think this will be an upgrade but let's be honest, the concept art is very optimistic and usually gets cut back a lot. If it came out exactly like the art with waterfalls, rainbow pool, tons of river still there, etc, sure, it could look great. Saying it's about "paving your own frontier" does not mean that Cars fits in Frontierland just because Josh D'amaro used the word "frontier" but it is what it is. At this point all we can do is hope it not too loud or distracting and that it blends in thematically which I'm skeptical of.

Either way, for it to be better is going to be a tough sell for me. A relaxing, serene area of the park to escape the crowds (of which there are very few) is forever gone and will be replaced with a loud, crowded, Disneyfied version of something that already exists (essentially ATV riding on dirt) just to sell more lightning lanes.

The only remaining real quiet areas in MK are what, the Swiss Family Treehouse (where you can't sit and relax anyway), behind the old Skyway building in TL, and the tent with seating in Storybookland area. None of these are even close to as serene or relaxing as the TSI area was. Other than that it is just a concrete jungle and crowds everywhere.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

just because something was there before doesn't mean it was perfect/can never be touched/anything replacing it is automatically a disaster before it is even built

the riverboat is like the fountain of nations to me. Losing it is unforgivable.

I have hopes that the area will look nice - I think the attraction itself will be quite small though.

 

[FigmentFan82]

I think this will end up looking really well within the area

 

[donaldtoo]

But it will be replacing better story telling. That’s the point.

I’ve never even been really clear on what exactly the backstory/storytelling details are with this attraction.
Can anybody please fill me in on the official detailed “spin”, if one even exists…?
I went back to the first few posts in this thread and didn’t find anything regarding such.
Also, the pic below, from that first post, was pretty far off, with respect to final project location…

 

[Disstevefan1]

My personal opinion (and this is just my opinion) the only things sacred at MK is Main Street, the castle, and the rail road. that's it. Any other park its a different answer but for MK. It's not DL, or TDL, or DLP. and I feel it's been trying and failing to be them for many years. My personal opinion is why not try something new. Do I think cars was the right answer. not convinced, but open minded

For me, which some are already gone -
Castle
RoA
Riverboat
Main St.
People mover!!!!!
CoP!!!!
Pirates
Haunted Mansion
Thunder mountain
Splash mountain

 

[mickEblu]

For me, which some are already gone -
Castle
RoA
Riverboat
Main St.
People mover!!!!!
CoP!!!!
Pirates
Haunted Mansion
Thunder mountain
Splash mountain

For me, the essentials of a Castle Park are…

1st tier:

Castle
ROA / Steamboat
Railroad
A version of Main Street
Fantasyland
A version of POTC or HM

2nd tier would be things like Thunder Mountain, IASW, Jungle Cruise if weather allows. A version of Space Mountain etc..

Now if a new castle park doesn’t include a ROA or ROA equivalent so be it but IMO it will be worse off. Removing one from where it existed for 50+ years is a different story.

 

[Incomudro]

While they are both bad ideas, I don't think another Covid situation is coming to de-rail the Cars project and leave us with nothing there.

I would love to think this will be an upgrade but let's be honest, the concept art is very optimistic and usually gets cut back a lot. If it came out exactly like the art with waterfalls, rainbow pool, tons of river still there, etc, sure, it could look great. Saying it's about "paving your own frontier" does not mean that Cars fits in Frontierland just because Josh D'amaro used the word "frontier" but it is what it is. At this point all we can do is hope it not too loud or distracting and that it blends in thematically which I'm skeptical of.

Either way, for it to be better is going to be a tough sell for me. A relaxing, serene area of the park to escape the crowds (of which there are very few) is forever gone and will be replaced with a loud, crowded, Disneyfied version of something that already exists (essentially ATV riding on dirt) just to sell more lightning lanes.

The only remaining real quiet areas in MK are what, the Swiss Family Treehouse (where you can't sit and relax anyway), behind the old Skyway building in TL, and the tent with seating in Storybookland area. None of these are even close to as serene or relaxing as the TSI area was. Other than that it is just a concrete jungle and crowds everywhere.

I agree, except for the part about it being loud, as I don't believe we will hear it from outside the attraction itself.
It appears the view of the cars will be hidden by berms, rockwork and trees from Frontierland.
That will absorb sound, and if we get the water they show - that will cover up sounds as well.

 

[Purduevian]

They want to sell lightning lanes.

Someone needs to overlay a LL heat map. Cold zones get the demo.

RED: ILL, YELLOW: Tier 1, PINK: High Demand Tier 2, GREEN: Medium demand tier 2, AQUA: Low demand tier 2, BLACK: Food or Merch.

 

[HMF]

But it will be replacing better story telling. That’s the point.

I will say that the word "Story" is the most overused word in the Disney Lexicon. Most of the WED era attractions were more a series of vignettes building to a climax without any main character or plot points. Eisner was the one who made the idea that everything has to literally tell a story in the attractions. Of course Eisner did have the flexibility to have WDI come up with original stories that did not have to be based on movies or shows unlike Iger.

 

[HMF]

Saying it's about "paving your own frontier" does not mean that Cars fits in Frontierland just because Josh D'amaro used the word "frontier" but it is what it is.

I do think the term "Frontier" is probably going to disappear eventually as well since the definition of frontier means unexplored territory and as we now know, The west was only unexplored and unknown to European settlers. There were people living there long before that.

 

[mickEblu]

I will say that the word "Story" is the most overused word in the Disney Lexicon. Most of the WED era attractions were more a series of vignettes building to a climax without any main character or plot points. Eisner was the one who made the idea that everything has to literally tell a story in the attractions. Of course Eisner did have the flexibility to have WDI come up with original stories that did not have to be based on movies or shows unlike Iger.

Agreed. By story in this context I meant visual storytelling and place making.

 

[Raineman]

Beware the person who uses a dead person's words to further their opinion.

OK, fine, but in the future, when Iger and D'Amaro have passed away, I don't want to hear anyone referencing anything the two of them have ever said about the changes they are making currently, when discussing changes that are being made at that future time, because that would be using a dead person's words to further their opinion.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The Destruction of RoA, TSI and the riverboat and replacing them with cars is about MONEY!

The MONEY they save in maintenance by erasing RoA, TSI and the riverboat and the MONEY they will make selling LLs to the new attractions.

Never get confused any of these changes are to enhance the theme or enhance the guest experience.

MK is devolving away from a theme park and into an amusement park because MONEY.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

The Destruction of RoA, TSI and the riverboat and replacing them with cars is about MONEY!

The MONEY they save in maintenance by erasing RoA, TSI and the riverboat and the MONEY they will make selling LLs to the new attractions.

Never get confused any of these changes are to enhance the theme or enhance the guest experience.

MK is evolving away from a theme park and into an amusement park because MONEY.

Businesses are about money, this is news to me.
My guest experiences just happens to be greatly enhanced by things that also make them money I suppose.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Businesses are about money, this is news to me.
My guest experiences just happens to be greatly enhanced by things that also make them money I suppose.

Its a win for you then

Knowing in today's Disney it is indeed about MONEY and no longer about theme or guest experience, my process when visiting WDW to start with my expectations as low as possible therefore ANYTHING that happens that is good is a win for me.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Its a win for you then

Knowing in today's Disney it is indeed about MONEY and no longer about theme or guest experience, my process when visiting WDW to start with my expectations as low as possible therefore ANYTHING that happens that is good is a win for me.

I’m ngl, at that point I think it’s a potentially unhealthy relationship with Disney then. If you’re paying all of that money, expecting to be disappointed and just wishing for ANYTHING good, why are you still going? It just sounds like maybe the parks are no longer for you, no offense

 

[Nickm2022]

I’m ngl, at that point I think it’s a potentially unhealthy relationship with Disney then. If you’re paying all of that money, expecting to be disappointed and just wishing for ANYTHING good, why are you still going? It just sounds like maybe the parks are no longer for you, no offense

I agree, also Disney has always been about money, Its a company. The only actual change has been they're more global and more IP focus

 

[jah4955]

I’m ngl, at that point I think it’s a potentially unhealthy relationship with Disney then. If you’re paying all of that money, expecting to be disappointed and just wishing for ANYTHING good, why are you still going? It just sounds like maybe the parks are no longer for you, no offense

TT3.0 & B&B (the later in spite of its small size and supposed alcohol controversy) 2 are recent proofs Disney can still be very HQ when it wants to be. It seems a major factor between HQ and LQ is who the decision makers are....and when the decisions on the level of details are to be made. Although I can't see how Carsland could ever, ever justify its placement, I acknowledge the hypothetical possibility this, in and of itself, could still knock our socks off. The video of carsland attraction Disneyland seems amazing...and perfectly placed.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I’m ngl, at that point I think it’s a potentially unhealthy relationship with Disney then. If you’re paying all of that money, expecting to be disappointed and just wishing for ANYTHING good, why are you still going? It just sounds like maybe the parks are no longer for you, no offense

To be clear, I am not wishing, I never used the work wishing, wishing actually implies expectations. I could only be disappointed IF I had an expectation.

The point is I have no expectations.

We are not at a point where we are not willing to put out the money to go to WDW. No offence taken and don't worry, my family will be priced out eventually anyway.

I just prefer to go in with no expectations instead of being disappointed even if it was that one pastry I liked and is no longer there etc.

Its all about expectations. I have long ago stopped expecting a perfect day in the park so I am not disappointed.

This attitude is more than fair to Disney in my mind.