News Disney’s Boy Trouble: Studio Seeks Original IP to Win Back Gen-Z Men Amid Marvel, Lucasfilm Struggles

HMF

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Stripes said:
Genuinely, I really don’t think it has much impact. My family is hard-right conservative. They still love Disney. .
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Both sides tend to get riled up about trivial things that are blown out of proportion to the extent that both sides end up looking ridiculous. That damn jeans commercial for instance. I reckon a handful of far left X users read too much into this. Someone from Fox News likely saw it. Made it another stupid "Culture War" issue and blew it way out of proportion to the extent that I knew nothing about it until Fox turned it into an issue and of course both sides doubled down making it look even dumber. If these are the kinds of things we are going to fight each other over It's no wonder why we are basically seen as an international joke right now.
 
Mike S

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HMF said:
I know I will get in trouble with some people for suggesting this but do you think the absence of John Lasseter is a factor?
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Yes, I do. Putting everything else aside and purely looking at output I thinks it’s clear the studio is missing something after his departure. I also have to wonder how truly serious all of it actually was if another studio was willing to scoop him right up and nothing more has come out in the 6 years he’s been there so far. If he was a truly terrible person no one would’ve touched him with a 10 foot pole. We all know about Hollywood’s “open secrets” these days…
 
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Stripes

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HMF said:
I just flat out disagree with that. All of George Lucas' Star Wars movies had MUCH more thought and care put into them than the Sequels did. The original six were designed to tell a story. The Sequel Trilogy was explicitly designed to make $$$$$.
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I wasn’t referring to the sequel trilogy, which I agree is mediocre. I was referring to the Andor + Rogue One.
 
Vegas Disney Fan

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Stripes said:
The only “streamer” ahead of Disney’s viewership is Netflix. Obviously Disney is getting people to watch their stuff.

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I never said people (including myself) aren’t watching D+, ESPN, and Hulu… I said there’s very little that’s new to watch. I probably watch 40 hours of D+ every month, probably closer to 80 hours every month during hockey season, that doesn’t change the fact that maybe 2-3 hours of that is actually time spent watching something new, the rest is sports and rewatching old Disney classics for the 100th time.

The sad reality is most of the non sports content I already own on Bluray, the only reason I watch it on D+ is because I already have a subscription for hockey and it’s convenient, without hockey I’d cancel D+, save the money, and simply pop a Bluray into the player.
 
HMF

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AdventureHasAName said:
How so?
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JJ Abrams went out of his way to make sure there were no Prequel references in TFA. All the marketing materials were pushing practical effects because the Prequels were famously criticized for relying heavily on CGI. TFA takes place 30 years after the original Star Wars, are we supposed to believe that 30 years later they are still using virtually the same design for X-Wings, TIE Fighters, Star Destroyers etc Yet 32 years prior to A New Hope during Episode I none of these things existed yet? Also how are we supposed to buy that if the Empire was defeated and the First Order was in hiding, How were they able to have that many Stormtroopers, That many Star Destroyers never mind have the resources to build a superweapon more powerful than the death star? Nothing is revealed about the political situation in the New Republic because the prequels were considered too political for average audiences. It's pretty easy to see a theme here.
 
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Stripes

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Mike S said:
Yes, I do. Putting everything else aside and purely looking at output I thinks it’s clear the studio is missing something after his departure. I also have to wonder how truly serious all of it actually was if another studio was willing to scoop him right up and nothing more has come out in the 6 years he’s been there so far. If he was a truly terrible person no one would’ve touched him with a 10 foot pole.
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Neither Luck nor Spellbound were any good.

Also, Lasseter wasn’t fired.
 
Phroobar

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Stripes said:
Flop after flop? I get that Elio didn’t do well at the box office, but it was a good film. Elemental was great. So was Luca and Soul.

The Wild Robot from Dreamworks was great and it didn’t do well at the box office either.
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The Wild Robot made 4.3x it's budget. That's better than almost everything from Disney this year. It was also huge in streaming.

Elemental wasn't that good. It only made a small profit because of South Korea and its story was very Korean immigrant.
 
Stripes

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Phroobar said:
The Wild Robot made 4.3x its budget. That's better than almost everything from Disney this year. It was also huge in streaming.
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Mainly due to the fact it had such a low budget, not because it did very well in terms of ticket sales.

The Wild Robot also marked the end of an era for Dreamworks. From now on Dreamworks will no longer do their animation in-house in Glendale. It will be outsourced to foreign countries.

I thoroughly enjoyed Elemental. To each their own.
 
Phroobar

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Stripes said:
Mainly due to the fact it had such a low budget, not because it did very well in terms of ticket sales.

The Wild Robot also marked the end of an era for Dreamworks. From now on Dreamworks will no longer do their animation in-house in Glendale. It will be outsourced to foreign countries.

I thoroughly enjoyed Elemental. To each their own.
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Doesn't matter how low it's production budget was. It made a large profit relatively speaking unlike Elemental. Elemental should have had the same size budget since you can't see $200million on the screen. They sure didn't put it in the script.
 
Mike S

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Call me crazy but a lot of Disney’s problems could be solved by lowering their overinflated budgets. Most of the time you can’t even see it on screen because of how terrible the CGI can still be. Godzilla Minus One was a lesson for all of Hollywood. Maybe you can’t get your budgets that low but you sure as heck can get them much lower than they are currently. There’s very obvious waste going on here.
 
Phroobar

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Mike S said:
Call me crazy but a lot of Disney’s problems could be solved by lowering their overinflated budgets. Most of the time you can’t even see it on screen because of how terrible the CGI can still be. Godzilla Minus One was a lesson for all of Hollywood. Maybe you can’t get your budgets that low but you sure as heck can get them much lower than they are currently. There’s very obvious waste going on here.
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Maybe Disney should stop outsourcing all their CG and do it in house with a smaller staff? I must see between 3 and 8 CG houses in the credits of big budget movies today. Illumination does it all in house.

I guess they need content fast for the D+ grinder.
 
AdventureHasAName

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HMF said:
JJ Abrams went out of his way to make sure there were no Prequel references in TFA. All the marketing materials were pushing practical effects because the Prequels were famously criticized for relying heavily on CGI. TFA takes place 30 years after the original Star Wars, are we supposed to believe that 30 years later they are still using virtually the same design for X-Wings, Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers etc Yet 32 years prior to A New Hope during Episode I none of these things existed yet. Also how are we supposed to buy that if the Empire was defeated and the First Order was in hiding, How were they able to have that many Stormtroopers. That many Star Destroyers never mind have the resources to build a superweapon more powerful than the death star. Nothing is revealed about the political situation in the New Republic because the prequels were considered too political for average audiences. It's pretty easy to see a theme here.
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Sure, but how was that reflected in the marketing? How would you know if a film discusses politics by the marketing?
 

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