Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Phroobar]

So is that three strikes for the MCU now? I guess Avengers Doomsday saves the MCU now?

 

[Disney Irish]

Shang-Chi, accounting for inflation, made $507M worldwide. Inflation has been a doozy the last few years affecting every aspect of our daily lives and greatly affecting economies and governments in these short few years. Does FF get past $507M? It doesn’t seem to be the case. But posting Shang-Chi numbers is not what Disney would’ve hoped for nor expected.

It almost certainly will not clear the $550M worldwide (adjusted for inflation) take of the 2005 Fantastic Four film.

And as has been pointed out before inflation really shouldn’t be used in these situations, as these movies aren’t released today, they were released during their time period, even if just a few years ago in this case. There was a video someone posted just a week or two ago with some good points on why inflation shouldn't be used in these situations. And its really only used in these situations to show how one particular movie today is doing worse than another from the past, its never used the other way around, hmm wonder why....

Also if you believe the Numbers site inflation adjustments, Shang-Chi would have been $480M if adjusted for inflation -

So if Shang-Chi was released today does it do $480M? Or even the $507M you're trying to use? No maybe not, so why use that number just because inflation happened in-between? Or how about the 2005 F4 movie, does it make it to that $550M you're using today? Again no maybe not, so again why use it?

And so if using the Numbers site adjusted number, do I think it maybe gets to $480M by the end of its run? Maybe, maybe not. If you really want to revisit this when the final numbers for F4 come in please do. I for one don't really care about inflation adjusted numbers for these movies since they aren't released today, they are released in their time period and so I use the actual numbers.

 

[DKampy]

And so if using the Numbers site adjusted number, do I think it maybe gets to $480M by the end of its run? Maybe, maybe not. If you really want to revisit this when the final numbers for F4 come in please do. I for one don't really care about inflation adjusted numbers for these movies since they aren't released today, they are released in their time period and so I use the actual numbers.

I don’t really care about comparing past movie x with current movie y…, but since some people want to…. My best guesstimates Shang-Chi would not come close to that…. Given the state of Superhero movies today and that it is the first film for a character that most of the general public does not know

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Jackie Chan of all people made some interesting comments this weekend -

Jackie Chan Says New Hollywood Movies Lack Quality Because Studios Focus Too Much On Money: “They’re Not Filmmakers, They’re Business Guys” — Locarno

Jackie Chan was speaking at the Locano Film Festival.

deadline.com

Interesting since this thread is so focused on money, and Jackie saying that Hollywood should be less focused on money.

I think it’s the schedule, not the budget.

Hollywood has been burning piles of cash recently thanks to several hundred million dollar budgets, it’s amazing how often I watch a show talking about filming starting without a finished script though, or about movies going through 2-3 directors, 2-3 writing teams, several edits, and then releasing a discombobulated mess… I think Hollywoods biggest problem is they’re starting filming before they even know what they’re filming.

Rather than focusing on a good script they’re focusing on creating “something” to release because they already announced a “unnamed Marvel” movie 3 years ago on a release schedule.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think it’s the schedule, not the budget.

Hollywood has been burning piles of cash recently thanks to several hundred million dollar budgets, it’s amazing how often I watch a show talking about filming starting without a finished script though, or about movies going through 2-3 directors, 2-3 writing teams, several edits, and then releasing a discombobulated mess… I think Hollywoods biggest problem is they’re starting filming before they even know what they’re filming.

Rather than focusing on a good script they’re focusing on creating “something” to release because they already announced a “unnamed Marvel” movie 3 years ago on a release schedule.

Except the point that Jackie is making is that if you focus on the creative process rather than the budget you make better quality products. This is basically saying the same thing you are, but rather than talking about the schedule like you are he is talking about the budgets which really drives everything including the schedule.

Also this isn't unique to Marvel or Disney, which is also the point here.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Except the point that Jackie is making is that if you focus on the creative process rather than the budget you make better quality products. This is basically saying the same thing you are, but rather than talking about the schedule like you are he is talking about the budgets which really drives everything.

Also this isn't unique to Marvel or Disney, which is also the point here.

I’m sure in many cases it is budget related but many of the recent budgets have been so ridiculously huge it’s mind boggling. If you have a seemingly unlimited budget and the end product is still crap the budget can’t be the problem.

100% agree Hollywood needs to get back to letting the creatives run it though, just like Vegas needs to get back to letting hospitality people run it…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t really care about comparing past movie x with current movie y…, but since some people want to…. My best guesstimates Shang-Chi would not come close to that…. Given the state of Superhero movies today and that it is the first film for a character that most of the general public does not know

I agree…

Which means the right move would be to put them on ice

 

[Disney Irish]

I agree…

Which means the right move would be to put them on ice

But aren't you the one constantly asking why Disney/LFL hasn't been putting out new SW movies in last 6 years?

Also how long would you put the MCU on "ice"? And what does that mean? Just no movies, no content at all, what? And why wouldn't you just move on into different characters? I mean you've been the one pushing for X-Men for the last I don't know 4-5 years. So why not just move on to more popular characters and try to do a better job with it?

 

[coffeefan]

 

[Disney Irish]

Yep, amazing to think that for all the complaining around here Disney is still at the top of the box office, and likely will pull ahead of WB by the end of the year.

 

[coffeefan]

I agree…

Which means the right move would be to put them on ice

That would be a mistake. Nobody is denying Marvel made some mistakes, but what they need to do is course correct, not leave things hanging for years.

Again, if people actually watched the movies they spend hours talking about we would have more substantive discussions. https://www.disneyplus.com/

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That would be a mistake. Nobody is denying Marvel made some mistakes, but what they need to do is course correct, not leave things hanging for years.

Again, if people actually watched the movies they spend hours talking about we would have more substantive discussions. https://www.disneyplus.com/

You missed the whole point…the mass audience is turning away…comic book fans aren’t enough. That’s not how Hollywood works.

They made some terrible decisions…but mostly oversaturation. Not on feige…100% on Bob

You cannot “force” people back in. Let it breath.

It might be over, Johnny

 

[Tha Realest]

Yep, amazing to think that for all the complaining around here Disney is still at the top of the box office, and likely will pull ahead of WB by the end of the year.

Probably. And it’s almost certain none of the three Marvel films released in 2025 will be in the top 10 for domestic or worldwide box office by the end of the year.

 

[Disney Irish]

Probably. And it’s almost certain none of the three Marvel films released in 2025 will be in the top 10 for domestic or worldwide box office by the end of the year.

Top 5 you'd have a point, but top 10, it depends on how the rest of the year goes, November/December will be the deciding factor I would think. But I wouldn't be surprised to see F4 still in the top 10 by the end of the year.

But we can revisit this at the end of the year if you'd like.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Does it happen to mention how much each studio spent to get their share?

If studio A spent $100m and made $300 and studio B spent $2b and made $1.5b I’d much rather be studio A, despite them having a much smaller share.

I have no clue what they each spent/made but without that data it’s kind of an irrelevant stat. Doesn’t really matter how much you gross, it matters how much you profit.

 

[Disney Irish]

Does it happen to mention how much each studio spent to get their share?

If studio A spent $100m and made $300 and studio B spent $2b and made $1.5b I’d much rather be studio A, despite them having a much smaller share.

I have no clue what they each spent/made but without that data it’s kind of an irrelevant stat. Doesn’t really matter how much you gross, it matters how much you profit.

Honestly all of this irrelevant, as its just the vanity of being named the "top studio" at the end of the year.

No one (other than us here) in these discussions cares about the "profit" at the end of the year. That is for the quarterly investors call, not for a movie discussion.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

100% agree Hollywood needs to get back to letting the creatives run it though, just like Vegas needs to get back to letting hospitality people run it…

Any chance at all either ever happens?

As far as budgets go…this next movie is goona be a doozy? I’ll be clear on record: they’re going to lie about it.

It’s a mess from reports…a million characters…not even a complete script…deep in shooting - which means reshoots and huge money.

Can’t wait

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Honestly all of this irrelevant, as its just the vanity of being named the "top studio" at the end of the year.

No one (other than us here) in these discussions cares about the "profit" at the end of the year. That is for the quarterly investors call, not for a movie discussion.

True, we’re a small group, the vast majority just care if a movie entertains them or not, they don’t care what it cost, what it grossed, what it profited/lost… technically true of 99% of what’s Disney related, Star Wars related, Marvel related… also, it’s only us superfans / nerds that find any of this interesting.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Any chance at all either ever happens?

As far as budgets go…this next movie is goona be a doozy? I’ll be clear on record: they’re going to lie about it.

It’s a mess from reports…a million characters…not even a complete script…deep in shooting - which means reshoots and huge money.

Can’t wait

Doubtful, I’m a capitalist at heart but the investment funds takeover of everything has had a ton of negative consequences.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Doubtful, I’m a capitalist at heart but the investment funds takeover of everything has had a ton of negative consequences.

Yeah…you can admit you’ve been had