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[DreamfinderGuy]

Unless of course, they were planning on reusing some props from Muppetvision in the muppet coaster, then it makes sense to close early and refurbish those to have everything ready to just put in the building when they close RNRC

That doesn't pass the sniff test either. RNRC is still open, that refurb is going to take at least a few months, and they definitely have fresh props that need installed. Would take no more than a week between MuppetVision closing and whatever they wanted to recycle making it into RNRC, you wouldn't even have to close it until RNRC is already down.

 

[JackCH]

I think they closed MV3D early so they could use the Swedish Chef's cannon for demolition.

 

[Moth]

They closed Muppet-Vision early because like JIYI they figured DHS would be better off without it! Dohohoho!

 

[Streetway Again]

This destruction hurts my soul. Body isn’t even cold yet.


Why Muppetvision, Why?

 

[mattpeto]

They have another project slated to start soon that works against your claims. They’re not going to be closing Voyage of the Little Mermaid to rework the facade of the Animation Building and rebuild the courtyard.


That’s the opposite of how things usually get done. But it couldn’t be anything. You only keep clinging to that because of your lack of familiarity with this type of work. You don’t know so nobody can know.


I’ll say it has been disappointingly brisk. A disassembly to recycle materials would have been some justification for a prolonged timeline.


They pushed the coaster building further away… The perimeter road is pretty staying as a space they could have used. CommuniCore West was disassembled in the middle of an active park with peopl close by. The Streets of America were demolished. Galaxy’s Edge encroached right up onto the theater.

You seem to know the project timeline in depth. I'd love to hear about it.

 

[mattpeto]

They have another project slated to start soon that works against your claims. They’re not going to be closing Voyage of the Little Mermaid to rework the facade of the Animation Building and rebuild the courtyard.


That’s the opposite of how things usually get done. But it couldn’t be anything. You only keep clinging to that because of your lack of familiarity with this type of work. You don’t know so nobody can know.


I’ll say it has been disappointingly brisk. A disassembly to recycle materials would have been some justification for a prolonged timeline.


They pushed the coaster building further away… The perimeter road is pretty staying as a space they could have used. CommuniCore West was disassembled in the middle of an active park with peopl close by. The Streets of America were demolished. Galaxy’s Edge encroached right up onto the theater.

Also FWIW - I discussed this topic with Scott Gustin on my podcast this evening and he also mentioned the demo accelerating now could be something boring like fiscal year spending.

That was a point I was trying to making earlier. There are more factors involved then just simply it takes 1 year to re-do a courtyard.

Marketing, Accountants, other projects can play a role into all of this.

 

[mattpeto]

That doesn't pass the sniff test either. RNRC is still open, that refurb is going to take at least a few months, and they definitely have fresh props that need installed. Would take no more than a week between MuppetVision closing and whatever they wanted to recycle making it into RNRC, you wouldn't even have to close it until RNRC is already down.

Just think there's more to the story here.

Disney being frugal seems to be most convenient for many of you.

 

[mattpeto]

For the record I don’t have a problem with the door coaster. It’s the placement i take issue with.

I'm sure the 100,000 SF building wouldn't have stood out at Animation Courtyard.

That would be a nice view from Sunset Blvd, wouldn't it?

 

[Casper Gutman]

You seem to know the project timeline in depth. I'd love to hear about it.

If you’re going to be snide to people who have expertise in certain areas and reject what they say out of hand - not debate it, just reject it - what is the point of discussion? You say you respect posters like Lazy and Peter but you absolutely don’t behave that way.

The fact that you have a podcast does make certain things make sense.

Did you ever tell us what quarter and year you expect the Muppets replacement to open?

 

[mattpeto]

If you’re going to be snide to people who have expertise in certain areas and reject what they say out of hand - not debate it, just reject it - what is the point of discussion?

The fact that you have a podcast does make certain things make sense.

I am not discounting their expertise, but it doesn’t mean I agree with their premise “Disney cut MV3D just to save operating costs.”

I appreciate you trying to figure me out. Your use of a fictional character where nobody knows who you are is also telling.

 

[mattpeto]

Unless of course, they were planning on reusing some props from Muppetvision in the muppet coaster, then it makes sense to close early and refurbish those to have everything ready to just put in the building when they close RNRC

That would be wonderful, but I don’t think it’s likely. I’m guessing it’s just going to be screens in place of Aerosmith.

Plus I think people would freak out if there wasn’t any hope of MV3D ever returning.

I just hope MV3D finds a new home, but it’s doubtful.

 

[mattpeto]

Willing to bet little to no work has occurred inside MV3D apart from removing props, and there probably won't be anything else happening in there for a good while.

“They wrapped it up in the way Disney does,” Henson explained, noting that all the animatronics were carefully packed and the show itself was fully recorded. “So, theoretically, they could bring it back out if they wanted to at some point.”

Son of Jim Henson says Muppet Vision 3D Animatronics have been Preserved in Case of Return | Chip and Company

Cue the sad trombone and one last splash from the fountain—Muppet Vision 3D is officially curtains at Disney’s Hollywood Studios. But according to Brian

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At least they preserved the props.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Even if they did close MV3D when they did to cut operating costs, financial considerations are perfectly valid reasons to set project timelines. They closed it, it's done, walls are up, and real construction has started on a new exciting experience. Unless you work at WDI, nobody here knows whats going into that theater and the nature of the upgrades needed; nobody knows the nature of the construction for the restaurants, the courtyard. Nobody knows the safety risks, fiscal year budgeting rules, nearby noise or dust. Nobody knows where Muppet theming may be re-used soon or archived. Nobody knows if they plan to re-open Monsters land with the show and two restaurants before the coaster is complete. Nobody knows the almost endless possible reasons for closing the show when they did.

Statements like "it didn't need to be a construction site" without knowledge of the above and evidence to the fact (like a project timeline), are therefore just forum conspiracy theories, speculations, and hunches -- and nothing more.

I suggest we move on.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Even if they did close MV3D when they did to cut operating costs, financial considerations are perfectly valid reasons to set project timelines. They closed it, it's done, walls are up, and real construction has started on a new exciting experience. Unless you work at WDI, nobody here knows whats going into that theater and the nature of the upgrades needed; nobody knows the nature of the construction for the restaurants, the courtyard. Nobody knows the safety risks, fiscal year budgeting rules, nearby noise or dust. Nobody knows where Muppet theming may be re-used soon or archived. Nobody knows if they plan to re-open Monsters land with the show and two restaurants before the coaster is complete. Nobody knows the almost endless possible reasons for closing the show when they did.

Statements like "it didn't need to be a construction site" without knowledge of the above and evidence to the fact (like a project timeline), are therefore just forum conspiracy theories, speculations, and hunches -- and nothing more.

I suggest we move on.

Posters have expertise in relevant areas. They don’t know exact details, but they have the knowledge and experience to make educated guesses about what is happening. Even those posters without specifically relevant expertise can make informed judgements based on past experience.

Other posters want to make broad claims that make them feel good. If these claims are contradicted by experience or expertise or evidence they want to discard and ignore and ridicule those things. They’re not alone - rejecting expertise is very, very popular right now. Why spend years learning about something or gaining experience by working in a particular field when you can just blurt things out to anyone who will listen?

This is a discussion board. It’s a good one because it has informed people on it. We should discuss things in good faith. We do not actually have to pretend the Disney corporation is inscrutable and omniscient.

 

[Gusey]

When The Muppets closure was announced, it was a surprise that it was closing so early when the coaster construction could have started beforehand. When some of us speculated that it was closing early because they were going to begin demolishing the store, we were told by posters here that it was only because they didn't want to pay for operations. It turns out that both was likely true, they likely closed MV3D for operations whilst also beginning construction in the main walkways of the land. Surely construction already beginning in the main courtyard is a good thing, as it's not just sitting abandoned for only operation savings until construction can begin in a year, but construction is actually happening now? The sooner you start something, the sooner it can get finished

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I'm thinking this opens in 2027. Call me crazy, but I think they realize that Epic will probably be opening their expansion by that point (considering there is imminent construction over there as well), and they need something bigger than just an Encanto ride in AK. Honestly, I hope the Indiana Jones retheme to Dinosaur takes longer so it's done better.

My prediction: Monstropolis will open July 2027, with the roller coaster possibly delayed until December 2027. But I'll bet the whole thing is open by Jan 1, 2028.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I'm thinking this opens in 2027. Call me crazy, but I think they realize that Epic will probably be opening their expansion by that point (considering there is imminent construction over there as well), and they need something bigger than just an Encanto ride in AK. Honestly, I hope the Indiana Jones retheme to Dinosaur takes longer so it's done better.

My prediction: Monstropolis will open July 2027, with the roller coaster possibly delayed until December 2027. But I'll bet the whole thing is open by Jan 1, 2028.

Epic Universe is not adding any guest facing facilities right now. It’s building a wall facing the water treatment plant and a multi-purpose event/banquet space for corporate rent-outs.

 

[Gusey]

I'm thinking this opens in 2027. Call me crazy, but I think they realize that Epic will probably be opening their expansion by that point (considering there is imminent construction over there as well), and they need something bigger than just an Encanto ride in AK. Honestly, I hope the Indiana Jones retheme to Dinosaur takes longer so it's done better.

My prediction: Monstropolis will open July 2027, with the roller coaster possibly delayed until December 2027. But I'll bet the whole thing is open by Jan 1, 2028.

As much as i hope Epic gets an expansion soon, itll likely be the Rip Ride Rockit replacement that will "compete" with the door coaster, as the too will likely open within a year of each other

 

[phillip9698]

Not even the Disney purists believe that. Look at this forum voting for best rides and every coaster is top half besides Barnstormer, and largely outside the eternal classics only the coaster or coaster-esque rides remain. And these are the most traditional fans.

No surprise they are building two more coasters shortly after opening two others. They are the most popular marquee ride format at every amusement park, even in a family park like Disney with heavy themed dark rides that match up. If this is not rough and is half decent themed it will be very popular with just about everyone.

I was mostly speaking on the most vocal purists on this site. That vocal minority has an outsized voice compared to the silent majority. Many vloggers fall into that category as well.

 

[CoasterCowboy67]

Posters have expertise in relevant areas. They don’t know exact details, but they have the knowledge and experience to make educated guesses about what is happening. Even those posters without specifically relevant expertise can make informed judgements based on past experience.

Other posters want to make broad claims that make them feel good. If these claims are contradicted by experience or expertise or evidence they want to discard and ignore and ridicule those things. They’re not alone - rejecting expertise is very, very popular right now. Why spend years learning about something or gaining experience by working in a particular field when you can just blurt things out to anyone who will listen?

This is a discussion board. It’s a good one because it has informed people on it. We should discuss things in good faith. We do not actually have to pretend the Disney corporation is inscrutable and omniscient.

I get that and respect expertise. But when educated guesses translate into fury or resentment for a company, suspecting nefarious or anti-customer policies (e.g., "unnecessarily" closing a show that some guests still like), it starts to come across as delusion. Now, if a WDI insider came out and said they saw a project plan or sat in a meeting where it was clear the timeline to close MV3D was suspect, that is different. But otherwise looking at a big coaster building vs. a courtyard renovation and assuming one has to be done first while the other is still open for months is not lending credence to the multitude of very plausible reasons why that could be a bad decision. And very few people in the world have the expertise in all of those fields (finance, safety, construction, project management, operations, marketing, etc.) to make some of these bold claims here. Remember, it was a team of people that informed this decision, not one person.