Ayla
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So a higher capacity Tomorrowland Speedway?
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phillip9698
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The budget and “program requirement” dictates the design!
“Biggest budgets in the industry” means nothing on its own. 7DMT was not originally designed for what we have now. It went through a series of cuts before they landed on the current ride. Whose idea was it to build a Star Wars area set in a time period where the popular characters can’t appear with the bare minimum amount of attractions, and no visible movement, wasn’t engineering.
This is pretty close to me as an engineer. Hate when the customer asks me why their build doesn’t have this or that, similar to what I designed for another customer. Well, you didn’t want to pay for that, so you didn’t get it.
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DisneyHead123
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This was various toys though, not anything back to school related. It was occupying an entire display, floor to top shelf, with several shelves. That area typically has miscellaneous Fab 5 toys. (The back to school stuff was actually fairly IP free, relatively speaking, but that may be because schools sometimes specify they want plain solid colored folders and such. School supply lists have gotten incredibly specific.) Also, this was in the “Disney store” section, not the “Target vehicle” section, so I assume Disney has more say over what goes there.
TrainsOfDisney
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Oh I forgot about this! That really doesn’t match with the vehicles in the art - which means the arts is very very “concept” if this is what we are actually getting.
The Indiana jones vehicles have never been used outdoors though correct?
TheMaxRebo
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I don't think this means this is what we are getting either - I recall from that special they talked about going through different ideas and hadn't settled on a ride vehicle yet
Might be what we get and do think totally trackless is less likely to happen vs the initial announcement but the end product might be something we haven't seen at all yet - maybe we get more at Destination D23
lazyboy97o
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Why is “program requirement” in scare quotes?
If the budget and program are the design, why do they waste years working through the phases of design?
Disney’s budgets are orders of magnitude larger than anyone else’s except Universal. There are cases like Slinky Dog Dash where cost comparisons can rather easily be made (compare Slinky to Time Traveler) and Disney spends multiples more with little to show. Seven Dwarfs Mine Train went through a series of cuts to keep it within a very high budget. Nothing about the sequel trilogy dictates the lousy organization of Galaxy’s Edge or the stupidity of designing around entertainment offers.
Gusey
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It was a test model, so I think they were still deciding on. Looking back at the concept art from D23, some of the vehicles have 4 people
But this one has 4-8 in each car (Particulalry the blue one in the distance had 4 people in the front)
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lazyboy97o
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The blue car has four people in both images. The other circles in the bottom image are the lights on top of windshield which can also be seen in the top image.
Disney Analyst
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I wonder… is this new area, with cars rides… what unlocks Speedway for future development?
TrainsOfDisney
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I don’t think so - speedway will always be popular with kids. It’s a shame we didn’t get the tron cosmetic update. Electric cars and some scenery is all it needs.
For two years, people connected to the Cars Franchise have talked about the possibility of Cars4.
However, if they do announce something soon, it won't hit theaters soon.
In the queue is...
- Hoppers -- Mar 6, 2026
- Toy Story 5 -- Jun 19, 2026
- Gatto -- Jun 18, 2026
Also, Incredibles3 and Coco2 have been announced as being worked on.
If Cars4 is in the works, it will be interesting. Pixar, the studio, doesn't want to stop working on original films. But if the sequels are the only ones that are profitable at the B.O., well....
Ya need the spotlights for night-huntin'! Yeehah!!
DisneyHead123
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Just my opinion but since they’re going with this mini Cars land, they absolutely need a Cars 4 so kids know who the heck Lightning McQueen is. (Also a lounge with Piston Cup glasses of wine as a consolation prize for having to look at the area where RoA was decimated, lol.)
I know it’s a bit of a controversial topic, but I still say I don’t hear kids talking about Cars these days. Right now I keep hearing about these Brain Rot characters with names like Tralalero Tralala, Tung Tung Tung Sahur, and Ballerina Cappuccino. Gen Alpha is like on one long LSD trip but sans drugs, it’s the weirdest thing. For the boys at least, it’s like they’re speaking to each other in a made up language (my niece likes stuff that I can relate to more, like Disney Zombies and K Pop Demon Hunters).
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TheMaxRebo
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I got to ride the one in Hong Kong before they closed it and it had been converted to electric and the cars would make fun futuristic sounds when you accelerated, had fun road signs, etc. was such a better experience than the one at MK
TrainsOfDisney
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Oh for sure. Autopia at Disneyland is of course the most charming (as is the entire park) - but the one in Paris is quite nice as well.
They either need to go retro and make it an Autopia with some retro theming - or do the tron makeover. Just do something - it’s so easy. But of course if they leave it as is, it’s easier to say “look at how sad this looks, it’s going away and no one is sad!”
AidenRodriguez731
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Or attach the obvious IP to it, Wreck it Ralph would kinda be a layup IMO. It also has aspects of both Tomorrowland and Fantasyland with the video game aesthetic matching Tron and the Candyland Sugar Rush matching Fantasyland
TrainsOfDisney
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I almost mentioned that when I wrote my post but I feel like Ralph is kinda over?
Bringing back the arcade and tying both tron and sugar rush would have been brilliant and yes, sugar rush could have added perfect scenery to compliment both Tomorrowland and Fantasyland.
n2hifi
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Because the budget and the program rarely align. It takes time to reconcile both, then years to develop and detail a cohesive set of documents that can be bid and constructed properly. By then, early estimates are often off due to market conditions. Worse yet, stocks or politics can alter the owner's confidence and change the budget halfway through design development.
lazyboy97o
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It was a rhetorical question. I wasn’t the one saying management is more responsible for the outcome than the designers.
Also, Disney doesn’t generally use design-bid-build for large projects and Disney under Iger has been [surprisingly] committed to not cutting budgets mid-project.