MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TrainsOfDisney]

I mean if the attraction has no wait and only can fit around 400 on at once, it can only get through 800 people in an hour and still has no wait.

That’s not the question though. Moana and the friendship boats do not have a wait either. Parks need things like that.

 

[JD80]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

 

[plutofan15]

Sure. I just think statements (like you just shared) convey that better and in a more respectful manner. I think it makes for more productive conversations.

Unfortunately, there are very little productive conversations here.

 

[Jedi14]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

Depending on the time of day, it felt like a tight walkway to Thunder Mountain.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This guy 100% just says the most ridiculous stuff and just ends it off with a wink as if it’s funny now?

Never liked that, if I’m going to have a discussion I don’t love people inserting random “jokes” so they can just say whatever they want and get away with adding nothing of substance

This guy does appreciate everyone who reads my post for whatever reason. If you do not like my posts I think there is block functionality? I am not sure since I never used it, I enjoy reading everyone's posts whether I agree or disagree. No winky used in this post.

 

[plutofan15]

How do you know? There has been some conflicting reports about how long they spent on this idea.

For a company that has budgets for five years out, this project was not thrown together at the last minute.

 

[Incomudro]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

Me too.
On crowded days, I've always found it to be one of the worst areas of the park.

 

[plutofan15]

Me too.
On crowded days, I've always found it to be one of the worst areas of the park.

Especially before, after and during parades. But during the first hour or so of park opening it can be somewhat relaxing.

 

[Incomudro]

MK feels much more oppressively crowded then the other parks not only because the crowds are larger but because it’s much more tightly packed and there are far fewer open “vistas” (I don’t have the design language to be more precise), spaces you can look that aren’t packed with people or structures. EPCOT in particular is arranged to accentuate these open spaces (one reason the overly busy new hub fails) but MGM and AK have them too. The Frontierland changes will not only increase crowds but, by getting rid of the parks only remaining vista, will increase the SENSE of the being crowded.

To put it simply - MK badly needs more open spaces, not fewer.

Don't forget it's higher proportionate population of mobility scooters.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Nein, die Welt ist nicht klein, Sie haben sie nur nicht richtig organisiert.

Dōmo arigatō Marie Kondo.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Let me be the first then: I think this will look better and be a better fit.

Well, I hope you’re right. My concern with the design is that it seems rockwork heavy and to me, at this point, rockwork is just… fine. It’s not awful, it’s very forgiving and hard to mess up, but in 2025 it’s not going to knock your socks off either. Rockwork is a run of the mill feature to beautify lots of places, it’s not something that is going to be either dazzling in its own right or, alternately, result in some escapist placemaking. My worry is that this will continue the trend we’re seeing with the resorts, where they could be a Marriott or upscale mall in Anywhereville. My concern is also that the places in Orlando that do strike me as pretty amazing - Main Street, World Showcase, the Harry Potter lands at Universal, even Galaxies Edge despite a few quibbles I have there - involve more money than Disney is interested in spending. So you have iconic visuals from another era being knocked down to create “fine” visuals in 2025.

Again, we’ll see. If they pull off a really beautiful landscape then I think people will enjoy it.

 

[Brer Panther]

I point to their least attended park as a perfect example of what happens when Disney fails to comprehend this, despite having lots of rides and IP on paper.

I know you're referring to either California Adventure or Walt Disney Studios Paris, but I'm not sure which one.

Guardians of the Galaxy is a fine roller coaster....for Hollywood Studios.

I still think they should've just rethemed Rock 'n' Roller Coaster to Guardians of the Galaxy.

I would bet a giant amount of money that there is no way in hell Disney would ever relocate Small World.

Disney would never build an attraction like It's a Small World today. Even if they added Disney characters to it like Disneyland's.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

While I know this would never happen - and there isn't a great location for it at EPCOT, I would be totally for this. Seems like it could have allowed for a much different version of what we're getting that could have both preserved more of what people want and still allowed all the new things coming in.

Sure there is…Germany, where the original water ride was initially planned…I’m sure with a little creative imagineering, TWDC could make it fit and work…and by using that space, another expansion pad wouldn’t have to be sacrificed.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

There’s reasons for any decision. That doesn’t mean it was “the best way.”

For all we know….. one executive looked at a plan that included the riverboat staying and said “put a cars attraction there” and walked out. Not saying that’s what happened but we don’t know.

Possible - would like to think more thought than that

And "best" for Disney doesn't mean it matches "Best" for everyone/every guest

 

[TheMaxRebo]

They’re doing pretty significant infrastructure changes!

They also felt the desire build a very, very expense, starchitect designed, too small, too limited access Festival Center was the way to go at Epcot.

That's my point - it was either this or some level of infrastructure change - take out Small World, etc ...OR modify the river but not remove it - at some point they felt this was a better option for reasons we may not agree with but also using a lot of data and analysis we don't have access to

 

[TheMaxRebo]

“Best” meaning what management was wiling to stomach financially. There is a world where you get the expansions announced while not losing RoA but there would be
1) significant capital costs added to the projects to adjust existing park infrastructure to accommodate future public access where there was once backstage areas
2) significant additional capital costs to developing more land outside the berm and unsettled as part of the park perimeter
3) additional commitments to operational capacity of the park keeping the RoA and its activities as an going concern indefinitely


I don’t think these are great reasons but I think most posters here assumed management balked at keeping RoA because of (3), when I really think they didn’t want to shoulder (1) and (2).

Fully agree - any they have access to a lot of data and info and analysis we don't

Maybe others in charge still would have chosen a different option but this wasn't done willy nilly

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I bet there is someone with a spreadsheet showing how much money will be saved in maintenance as a result of destroying RoA, TSI, the riverboat and how much money will be made in sales of LL as a result of opening the new attractions.

Theming, beauty and atmosphere was killed by Iger’s leadership.

It’s all about money now.

Exiting theming, beauty, and atmosphere was killed .... The theming, beauty, and atmosphere that replaces it might be as good or better or not, we shall see. But definitely what was there is gone

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.

Not sure I fully agree - but did often feel like a pathway to get from HM to Big Thunder - partly as less activity in the areas in between

I remember going as a kid a lot more things going on on the river and more streetmosphere, etc - so felt more like enjoying all of it vs more of a walkway

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's my point - it was either this or some level of infrastructure change - take out Small World, etc ...OR modify the river but not remove it - at some point they felt this was a better option for reasons we may not agree with but also using a lot of data and analysis we don't have access to

They tore down half of CommuniCore for a building that the data said was a bad idea and was abandoned as soon as possible all because one guy was jealous of Michael Eisner. Just because it’s a company effort doesn’t mean it is a purely rational analysis.

 

[BrianLo]

The Frontierland changes will not only increase crowds but, by getting rid of the parks only remaining vista, will increase the SENSE of the being crowded.

To put it simply - MK badly needs more open spaces, not fewer.

It should be noted that the most oppressively crowded part of Disneyland is the River. Vistas matter, but they only are a part of the equation. Alternative wide pathways can help.