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[Disney Irish]

DCA isn’t exactly packed with attractions - the large number of flat rides helps the number. Which I’m not against - that zephyr is a fun one!

The point being that up until recently with TS, GE, and MMRR being added DHS lacked attractions compared to DCA which has been stacked in comparison especially by the time Muppets closed. So there were many other things to do at DCA whereas at DHS you didn't have much alternatives.

Also all of this has nothing to do with Avatar. So as much as some want to defend Muppets on either coast, its not coming back to DCA, as fun as an idea that may be.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So as much as some want to defend Muppets on either coast, its not coming back to DCA, as fun as an idea that may be.

Oh it definitely could… stranger things have happened.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh it definitely could… stranger things have happened.

Be honest with yourself. Do you really thing Disney would ever bring Muppets back to DCA? And what percentage would you give it? And I mean a real percentage, not some 50/50 thing.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Be honest with yourself. Do you really thing Disney would ever bring Muppets back to DCA? And what percentage would you give it? And I mean a real percentage, not some 50/50 thing.

That’s tricky…. I kinda feel like we will see some sort of tribute run (not necessarily the full show with AA’s) at some point. I’d give that a 70% chance (on either coast).

 

[Disney Irish]

That’s tricky…. I kinda feel like we will see some sort of tribute run (not necessarily the full show with AA’s) at some point. I’d give that a 70% chance (on either coast).

I'm talking about DCA specifically not DHS, as I'm sure references will be added into DHS at some point in the next few years. And I would give it maybe a 1% chance of the actual show returning to DCA, and only a 25-30% of anything Muppet related beyond the references we've gotten in WoC and such. The only way that I would change the percentage of the latter is if somehow Muppet became popular again such as a new movie or show that just wow'd over global audiences.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I'm talking about DCA specifically not DHS, as I'm sure references will be added into DHS at some point in the next few years. And I would give it maybe a 1% chance of the actual show returning to DCA,

If the theatre remains I’d say it’s more than 1%, if the theatre closes as part of the Avatar world then I agree with around 1% for DCA.

and only a 25-30% of anything Muppet related beyond the references we've gotten in WoC and such.

I would call an entire pre-show more than a reference. The theme of the WOC show is also from muppets.

I’m pretty sure the show was orginally pitched with muppets hosting - since it’s 70 for them too. Then Iger said “it needs more Pixar and make them gay!!!” (South Park reference… ifykyk)

 

[Disney Irish]

If the theatre remains I’d say it’s more than 1%, if the theatre closes as part of the Avatar world then I agree with around 1% for DCA.

I would call an entire pre-show more than a reference. The theme of the WOC show is also from muppets.

I’m pretty sure the show was orginally pitched with muppets hosting - since it’s 70 for them too. Then Iger said “it needs more Pixar and make them gay!!!” (South Park reference… ifykyk)

Theater remaining doesn't give one indication or even hope that it'll return. Its still 1% in my opinion, it gives the possibility even if very unlikely. Because as you said its the 70% anniversary for them too this year too, if there was any opportunity for them to return it would have been this year for this celebration. But they didn't, so that should give an indication of where it stands in terms of that shows return, only at 1%.

Also the WoC pre-show, is about as close as you're going to get in my opinion to a Muppet return to DCA. Lets put it this way, are there any new Muppet movies, TV shows, or any attraction beyond the RnRC overlay planned anytime in the next 5 years? No, ok, that should answer your question. They have nothing to promote in DCA for Muppets, so beyond the few scraps they throw out like the WoC pre-show its not going to get any more of a presence.

And I'll even go out on a limb, there is less than a zero percent chance of anything Muppets related going into any of the DLForward plots.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

And I'll even go out on a limb, there is less than a zero percent chance of anything Muppets related going into any of the DLForward plots.

All of these are just guesses but it’s literally impossible that it’s a 0% chance - I’m not expecting it, but it could happen.

 

[Disney Irish]

All of these are just guesses but it’s literally impossible that it’s a 0% chance - I’m not expecting it, but it could happen.

I didn't say impossible, I said less than zero percent chance. Sure anything is possible. Its possible that they tear DCA all down and make it a parking lot again. But I would give that a less than zero percent chance too.

 

[truecoat]

DCA isn’t exactly packed with attractions - the large number of flat rides helps the number. Which I’m not against - that zephyr is a fun one!

The point being that up until recently with TS, GE, and MMRR being added DHS lacked attractions compared to DCA which has been stacked in comparison especially by the time Muppets closed. So there were many other things to do at DCA whereas at DHS you didn't have much alternatives.

Also all of this has nothing to do with Avatar. So as much as some want to defend Muppets on either coast, its not coming back to DCA, as fun as an idea that may be.

Just 10 years ago, DCA had a 3:1 ride advantage, not counting Bugs Land.

 

[PiratesMansion]

Look, I loved Muppetvision (AND think it should still be playing at DHS, judge away), but when it was around the reaction towards Muppets seemed confused more than anything else. Like, so confused that people seemingly appreciated Captain EO more (another show that I love, but unabashedly much weirder) than Muppetvision-and that was with both attractions playing to relatively empty houses.

If I was the only person who liked genuinely liked MV3ED on this forum in the last few years it was around at DCA, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

There's very little chance it ever returns to California, especially since it's the most involved of the 3D shows from a technical perspective and had little parkgoer support when it was around.

 

[Professortango1]

Look, I loved Muppetvision (AND think it should still be playing at DHS, judge away), but when it was around the reaction towards Muppets seemed confused more than anything else. Like, so confused that people seemingly appreciated Captain EO more (another show that I love, but unabashedly much weirder) than Muppetvision-and that was with both attractions playing to relatively empty houses.

If I was the only person who liked genuinely liked MV3ED on this forum in the last few years it was around at DCA, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

There's very little chance it ever returns to California, especially since it's the most involved of the 3D shows from a technical perspective and had little parkgoer support when it was around.

I loved Muppet Vision 3D, but I'm also fine with it being gone as it did feel sad and dated the last few times I experienced it. TTBAB will always be my favourite Disney 3D show though. That was the best show experience Disney has pulled off to date.

As for why Captain EO was more popular as a pop up; I'd wager that many guests had only heard of Captain EO as a distant past vs many remember MupperVision, so curiosity is stronger for EO. I hated EO and even checked it out when they brought it back, just because it is so entertainingly bad. The corny camp nature of the 80's Sci Fi/Michael Jackson-ness makes it far more of a spectacle than MV3D, which is cute and not as alien feeling for current Disney.

 

[BrianLo]

Speaking as someone who loves the Muppets, MuppetVision was ...really nice. But it wasn't Henson's best work (it wasn't even his best Muppet work). Most of the fondness for MV comes from nostalgia for memorable lines ("But mostly America") but comedy in theme parks needs to stay fresh. In an alternate timeline, Jim Henson wouldn't have died, they would have built the Muppet Movie Ride, then after about 20 years of MV, it would have been refreshed with Kermit's next 3D film (you know, around 2010).

I'm sorry, but its time has come and gone.

Very much this. It was and is great. It doesn't need to be a park fixture for 50+ years, it already has gone way beyond its shelf life, but DHS entertainment is crusty.

I'm finding this conversation on this side a lot more grounded than on the Florida version.

 

[dlr74]

Seemingly for the first time ever, Bob Iger has referred to this project as an "Avatar land" rather than an "Avatar experience"

 

[Disney Irish]

Seemingly for the first time ever, Bob Iger has referred to this project as an "Avatar land" rather than an "Avatar experience"

I hope that settles the "land" debate.

 

[coffeefan]

 

[Disney Analyst]

This quote from the article feels like a misprint:

“Mazloum also shared that the recently announced parking structure (with approximately 6,000 parking spaces!) and transportation hub will "unlock" DisneylandForward and will start paving the way for Coco's attraction as soon as the garage is finished.“

They must have meant avatar? I can’t imagine the structure has any impact on coco?

 

[mickEblu]

This quote from the article feels like a misprint:

“Mazloum also shared that the recently announced parking structure (with approximately 6,000 parking spaces!) and transportation hub will "unlock" DisneylandForward and will start paving the way for Coco's attraction as soon as the garage is finished.“

They must have meant avatar? I can’t imagine the structure has any impact on coco?

That caught my attention as well. Yeah I can’t understand what parking lot has to do with Coco. Maybe something to do with Run Disney shifting around. He probably meant Avatar? I think I’m done trying to decipher what these people say. They clearly aren’t very careful with their words nor does there appear to be any rhyme or reason to them. Or plans change so often that there is no point getting hung up on anything they say.

 

[JadyD]

That caught my attention as well. Yeah I can’t understand what parking lot has to do with Coco. Maybe something to do with Run Disney shifting around. He probably meant Avatar? I think I’m done trying to decipher what these people say. They clearly aren’t very careful with their words nor does there appear to be any rhyme or reason to them. Or plans change so often that there is no point getting hung up on anything they say.

Didn’t they just announce last month that Coco construction starts this fall?

 

[Disney Analyst]

Didn’t they just announce last month that Coco construction starts this fall?

Yeah.

They must have meant Avatar... I can imagine we don't see Avatar truly unlocked until the structure is done?