MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

BrianLo

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I also would like to point out the elephant in the room here. Obviously the prime motivator for getting rid of ROA and TSI is money but is it also possible because of the declining image of America in popular opinion could be a factor in closing such Americana based concepts as ROA and TSI?

That would certainly apply to the Villains half of this project, but not their nascar cartoon. I just don't think this was a considered factor for this removal. I'd say Radiator Springs, the land, is the single best "Americana" thing of the last ?30 years worldwide out of Disney parks.
 

HMF

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That would certainly apply to the Villains half of this project, but not their nascar cartoon. I just don't think this was a considered factor for this removal. I'd say Radiator Springs, the land, is the single best "Americana" thing of the last ?30 years worldwide out of Disney parks.
I guess so but TSI is based on a book which has a sister book that uses certain very offensive words. After Splash, I can't help but be paranoid about these things.
 

BrianLo

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I guess so but TSI is based on a book which has a sister book that uses certain very offensive words. After Splash, I can't help but be paranoid about these things.

Ya that might have factored minorly, but I just don’t think there’s a hit out on “Americana” anywhere in the company. Tiana is still also very, very American.

I think most of the creative company still highly values the Americana tilt it has. Dinoland USA was just a case of it always being poor.

I also agree on international optics. But that doesn’t have anything to do with those in the parks but rather those visiting the US to begin with.
 

Mr. Sullivan

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Oh I know he isn’t one, hence the quotations, but as the leader of a creativity-based company, he really should be. But he isn’t and that’s why we’re at where we’re at. His decisions are purely money motivated. I just don’t get why enough is never enough for people like him.
I do not say this in defense of him, but I do think Disney fans sometimes need to realize that we do indeed have it better than a lot of folks do when it comes to the leadership of the thing we love. You're right, enough is never enough, but we could have someone a lot worse on this front than him.

Bob Iger has a long, long list of issues. Lots of things that I and many others dislike him for, maybe even feel stronger than dislike for. But he also was not the worst case scenario for Disney when he got this gig and he is not the worst case scenario for it now.

He is not a creative, but he is someone who has a long history with the company and he does value the company to some degree. If he didn't, he wouldn't have used his tenure to do the things that he did. Not all of those things were successful or good, but it would've been incredibly easy for him to take the job, do absolutely nothing, and leave with his millions, but he had enough interest (I won't say care per say, but interest I think is appropriate) in the brand to continue to try and evolve it.

He is very motivated by earning money (as he was hired to be), but he has also been very willing to spend it. And while in some cases that has gone awry, in some cases it has brought us some wonderful things.

There are some CEOs out there of major entertainment companies who just take and gut and run. They don't spend, they don't maintain, they don't do anything but chew down to the bone and then throw the body away when there's no more meat left. Like at people who were SeaWorld fans and the state their parks are in these days. It could be much worse for Mouse fans than it is.

That is not me saying we need to accept every poor choice leadership makes. Not at all. He has done a lot of really awful things, and he deserves to be questioned for it and they should indeed be a discussed part of his legacy.

But it would do all of us well to remember that outside of our bubble, we could've gotten a lot worse than we did. Iger came to power at a time where it was not at all uncommon for outside raiders to come in, take control, squeeze all the juice out, and leave the company to die. The fragile state it was in when Eisner left made it a ripe candidate for that.

I think it's very easy for us to say it's the worst because it's happening now, but I do think in ten, twenty, thirty years from now, Iger's legacy will not be seen as a complete negative. It will be seen for what it actually was which was a period of highs and lows that were reflective of the changing world that it existed within.
 
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Lilofan

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Huh? You mean the nostalgia of visiting the parks and riding on 3 different Disney castle park riverboats in 2025 already?

Yes, I enjoyed those experiences and want to continue to enjoy them. What’s odd about that?
If you’ve the money , time and agility to enjoy and experience the parks , great for you. Life is too short and YOLO.
 

Lilofan

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Well, many Canadians and Europeans for that matter are deliberately avoiding this country right now for obvious reasons I won't get into here.
That’s true. I have stayed in Fredericksburg VA hotel stopping through. The owner operator said he has seen a free fall of missed business from Canadians. His hotel was a popular halfway stopping point for travelers from Ontario driving to FL.
 

Brer Panther

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What's really left besides Cars, Stitch and Incredibles? Wreck-It-Ralph? Big Hero 6? What could be shoehorned into Frontierland the easiest? They said we were getting Coco until we weren't.

I suppose Jebediah Springfield's Frontier Conquest would have been a more cromulent choice...
Let's see, which IPs currently have attractions at Walt Disney World? Underlined IPs have attractions in two different parks, and I'm not including stuff that's under construction or in development like the Indiana Jones and Encanto takeover of Dinoland or the Cars rides...

- Aladdin
- Pirates of the Caribbean, sorta? The attraction came first, so I'm not sure...
- The Princess and the Frog
- Peter Pan
- Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
- Dumbo
- Winnie the Pooh
- The Little Mermaid
-
Beauty and the Beast
- Alice in Wonderland
- Toy Story
- Monsters Inc.
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Encanto (assuming you want to call the stage show at EPCOT an attraction)
- Finding Nemo
- The Three Caballeros
- Frozen
- Ratatouille
- The 2013 Disney Channel Mickey Mouse shorts
- Star Wars
- Indiana Jones
- The Twilight Zone
- Avatar
- The Lion King
- Dinosaur, sorta? (the attraction opened first, but the movie was in development at the time)

Now, let's compare that to Disneyland's list:
- Indiana Jones
- Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
- Peter Pan
- Pinocchio
- Alice in Wonderland
- The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
- Dumbo
- Toy Story
- Finding Nemo
- Pirates of the Caribbean, sorta?
- The Princess and the Frog
- Winnie the Pooh
- Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers
- The 2013 Disney Channel Mickey Mouse shorts
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit
- Star Wars
- Monsters Inc.
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Spider-Man
- The Incredibles
- Inside Out
- Cars
- The Little Mermaid

There are actually lots of IPs that aren't represented at Disney World yet, whereas at least FIVE IPs (soon to be eight) that are represented in more than one park. You already listed The Incredibles, Wreck-It Ralph, Big Hero 6, Coco, and Lilo and Stitch, but off the top of my head there's also no representation of Inside Out, The Jungle Book, Hercules, Mulan, and Elemental. None of which, to bring this back on-topic, would fit in Frontierland, admittedly.

Also, I know you were just joking, but I would much rather have Cars in Frontierland than The Simpsons.
Sometimes there is just other circumstances that cause something to not quite make the priority list, or we really would have multiple Lion King rides worldwide by now.
I wonder if The Lion King's having the misfortune of being released after Disneyland Paris' failure and Eisner started cost-cutting played a part in that.
 

Disstevefan1

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For real though, IP attractions can be done well, and anyone saying there shouldn't be anything based on IPs is probably trolling or somehow forgot that the original Disneyland had "IP" in it on opening day (albeit all contained to Fantasyland).

IMO, the best combo is non-IP lands that can fit a number of IPs in them, like the original lands you see at castle parks. That makes it easy to switch things out and keep the parks fresh, instead of building a few lands based on specific IPs and praying they're evergreen. The original/supposed MK plan to put Coco in Frontierland, Moana in Adventureland, and then the new land being Villains all fits that idea well. If someday Coco or Moana aren't relevant, you can swap them out for something else that fits Frontierland/Adventureland. And Villains will always be evergreen, so there's no worry there.
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celluloid

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I wonder if The Lion King's having the misfortune of being released after Disneyland Paris' failure and Eisner started cost-cutting played a part in that.

I mean it was in every WDW park within three years after its release and was a major influence to the newest park opening right after.

Toy Story phenom and and Pixar during DCA era became the focus soon after Lion King divided the attention too.
 
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OrlandoRising

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Single IP lands have no business being in the castle parks.
Says who?

As others have pointed out, there are already multiple such lands in castle parks and single IP lands have been all the rage across the theme park industry since the first Wizarding World's success. Why wouldn't Magic Kingdom, the most visited theme park in the world, do the same?

If your justification begins with "Well, Walt wouldn't have...," just spare us.
Before the pandemic in 2020 I walked out of the magic kingdom ending my night with the kiss goodnight as I walked out, I had a strange feeling that my great times in that park were coming to an end and that the Magic Kingdom part of my life is over. I walked out set in never returning and doing new things including Disneyland. What makes me sad is I thought I left a place someone else would someday stumble upon and experience what I did but it seems to be so sterile and soulless now.

I'm sorry, but.....what?

How is it "sterile and soulless" compared to its state in 2020? All that's changed is: Tron opened, Splash became Tiana's, and the new Country Bears show debuted.

So one new attraction (not a replacement), one retheme from one IP to another, and the placement of Disney songs in another existing attraction somehow make the place "sterile and soulless?"
 

CoastalElite64

Active Member
Let's see, which IPs currently have attractions at Walt Disney World? Underlined IPs have attractions in two different parks, and I'm not including stuff that's under construction or in development like the Indiana Jones and Encanto takeover of Dinoland or the Cars rides...

- Aladdin
- Pirates of the Caribbean, sorta? The attraction came first, so I'm not sure...
- The Princess and the Frog
- Peter Pan
- Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
- Dumbo
- Winnie the Pooh
- The Little Mermaid
-
Beauty and the Beast
- Alice in Wonderland
- Toy Story
- Monsters Inc.
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Encanto (assuming you want to call the stage show at EPCOT an attraction)
- Finding Nemo
- The Three Caballeros
- Frozen
- Ratatouille
- The 2013 Disney Channel Mickey Mouse shorts
- Star Wars
- Indiana Jones
- The Twilight Zone
- Avatar
- The Lion King
- Dinosaur, sorta? (the attraction opened first, but the movie was in development at the time)

Now, let's compare that to Disneyland's list:
- Indiana Jones
- Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
- Peter Pan
- Pinocchio
- Alice in Wonderland
- The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
- Dumbo
- Toy Story
- Finding Nemo
- Pirates of the Caribbean, sorta?
- The Princess and the Frog
- Winnie the Pooh
- Chip 'n' Dale Rescue Rangers
- The 2013 Disney Channel Mickey Mouse shorts
- Who Framed Roger Rabbit
- Star Wars
- Monsters Inc.
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Spider-Man
- The Incredibles
- Inside Out
- Cars
- The Little Mermaid

There are actually lots of IPs that aren't represented at Disney World yet, whereas at least FIVE IPs (soon to be eight) that are represented in more than one park. You already listed The Incredibles, Wreck-It Ralph, Big Hero 6, Coco, and Lilo and Stitch, but off the top of my head there's also no representation of Inside Out, The Jungle Book, Hercules, Mulan, and Elemental. None of which, to bring this back on-topic, would fit in Frontierland, admittedly.

Also, I know you were just joking, but I would much rather have Cars in Frontierland than The Simpsons.

I wonder if The Lion King's having the misfortune of being released after Disneyland Paris' failure and Eisner started cost-cutting played a part in that.

During that time Disney (90s-2000s) Disney was very slow at making rides for new IPs, if at all. So there's a big gap of IPs that were overlooked previously for attractions.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Says who?
This argument was beat to death when SWGE was announced. The argument is about convention and past success of the Disneyland model... not hard rules. Kind of like all Disney design...

How is it "sterile and soulless" compared to its state in 2020? All that's changed is: Tron opened, Splash became Tiana's, and the new Country Bears show debuted.

So one new attraction (not a replacement), one retheme from one IP to another, and the placement of Disney songs in another existing attraction somehow make the place "sterile and soulless?"
The park experience is more than just the attractions. Let's not forget all the other 'declining by degrees' that happened inbetween there.

The irony is this trend has been going on for a long time.. it's just finally getting to the breaking point for more people.
 

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