MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[Casper Gutman]

Subtraction - less than
That's why I said in the long term is isn't a subtraction, as at the end of construction, no park will have less attractions than before construction began

They are subtracting capacity before adding any. If your goal is to increase capacity, this is counterproductive. It is also something they do regularly only at the resort that has the most expansion space.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Capacity is useless if people don’t want to experience the attraction.

I can call an open field an attraction with 10,000 capacity an hour. Pretty sure nobody wants that.

The need for attractions that don’t constantly run at full capacity has been explained repeatedly. Some posters want an utterly miserable park experience.

 

[Bocabear]

So at this point, they have mentioned the possibility of 2 attractions in each of the new lands but have not specified...So if there really is only one attraction in each of these new lands we are exactly where we were... I am sure the Villains ride, whatever that is, will be more exciting than the River Boat, likewise the Cartoon Cars Mountain Adventure...

 

[DCLcruiser]

The need for attractions that don’t constantly run at full capacity has been explained repeatedly. Some posters want an utterly miserable park experience.

That role is filled by CoP, TTAPM and Swiss Family at MK. (Although I wouldn’t mind if Swiss was replaced).

 

[Kamikaze]

It means exactly what it means - it was the most accessible moving (ride) attraction at Walt Disney World. I think.

Accessible as in ADA?

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China.

 

[JohnD]

Rivers aren't completely gone on the maps. Yet. Zoom out to the castle view of MK. Still there. Of course, now pointed out, that view will be gone soon too.

 

[phillip9698]

The need for attractions that don’t constantly run at full capacity has been explained repeatedly. Some posters want an utterly miserable park experience.

The need for attractions that people don’t want to experience? That’s not good for anything.

It’s A Small World is an attraction that doesn’t run at full capacity. TSI and the Riverboat are attractions a significant portion of visitors actively avoided.

There is a huge difference between the two.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The need for attractions that people don’t want to experience? That’s not good for anything.

It’s A Small World is an attraction that doesn’t run at full capacity. TSI and the Riverboat are attractions people actively avoided.

There is a huge difference between the two.

People utilized TSI and the Riverboat. You’re being silly.

 

[mickEblu]

I think if they can really make this new area look like some version of Grizzly Peak with streams, waterfalls, large trees etc than it will help most people will move on. The problem is you are going to have to get rid of so many mature trees and they will undoubtedly be replaced with fewer and much smaller trees. With so much loss of water, shade and mature trees it’s going to be hard to not feel like the “wilderness” part of Frontierland didn’t get a major downgrade. In no way do I think a Cars D ticket will offset this. This will most likely be viewed as a pretty big downgrade until Villains land opens up. Villains land presents its own set of challenges as well. I’m not sure Disney is going to deliver the type of PG 13 Villains land most people here would want. That new show at DHS doesn’t inspire much confidence.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I'd argue it'd be a missed opportunity if any of these themes and concepts weren't recycled at the new Lakeshore Lodge. As it stands if their pool areas aren't a River Country resurgence, WDI has truly lost their way.

I'm rather exhausted to the point that I don't really want to argue about utter nonsense like this today, but swing and a huge miss on your Lakeshore "thought".

 

[lazyboy97o]

Subtraction - less than
That's why I said in the long term is isn't a subtraction, as at the end of construction, no park will have less attractions than before construction began

And they’ll all still have insufficient capacity.

 

[CoastalElite64]

What big picture? Seeing a boat somewhere else has no bearing on the spatial design of Frontierland and Liberty Square.

That LB/RoA had less of a novelty factor to WDW guests because of other similar experiences available, unlike other castle parks.

You may be right about spatial design, but we wont know until Cars and Villains land opens. I joke about Cars area, but I think it will turnout better than some fans expect, and Villains land even more so.

 

[HauntedPirate]

And they’ll all still have insufficient capacity.

Nonsense. That poster just showed that they adding a net ***THREE*** attractions around the entire resort over a decade. If that doesn't show that Bob and Josh understand capacity problems at their amusement parks...

Oh wait...

 

[phillip9698]

People utilized TSI and the Riverboat. You’re being silly.

No they didn’t. The entire reason this is happening is because people didn’t.

We can discuss the aesthetics that river and the boat brought to that area of the park all day. That is something that can be objectively bantered about. What we can’t do is say those two attractions garnered enough foot traffic that their replacement will actually lower experienced capacity upon completion.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That LB/RoA had less of a novelty factor to WDW guests because of other similar experiences available, unlike other castle parks.

You may be right about spatial design, but we wont know until Cars and Villains land opens. I joke about Cars area, but I think it will turnout better than some fans expect, and Villains land even more so.

The design of the space isn’t rooted in some novelty factor.

They’re building a wall to block it off, the very opposite of how the space was laid out. That’s not really a receipt for success, especially when combined with the lousy track record that has persisted for years now.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

On that note, how come Disney never does anything big for closures?

I was hoping they’d have some actors / characters out on the island - they have more entertainment on a normal day at Disneyland

Accessible as in ADA?

I'm not sure what that has to do with the price of tea in China.

Yes.

You may be right that ADA won’t matter much longer in Florida but that’s another topic! Haha

 

[Raineman]

People utilized TSI and the Riverboat. You’re being silly.

No, no, no-nobody has been on that island since 1983. Didn't you know that? It's like the Rocket Rods/Peoplemover at DL-sitting there empty, and crumbling, like a ghost. In fact, it's the least visited Disney attraction in history. /s

 

[Casper Gutman]

No they didn’t. The entire reason this is happening is because people didn’t.

Yes, people used both attractions. A lot of people. You’re engaging in absurd hyperbole because you’re trying to defend a weak position.

We can discuss the aesthetics that river and the boat brought to that area of the park all day. That is something that can be objectively bantered about. What we can’t do is say those two attractions garnered enough foot traffic that their replacement will actually lower experienced capacity upon completion.

Absolutely no one said the replacement attractions will experience lower capacity. That isn’t the argument I made and it isn’t the argument you’ve been making until now. The point is that removing capacity whenever you add capacity does not demonstrate that you are particularly concerned with increasing capacity.

 

[castlecake2.0]

Here is a look at Frontierland from this morning

Frontierland - July 7, 2025

Frontierland - July 7, 2025

www.wdwmagic.com

Disregarding my feelings on it all, it’s nice to see that they are not wasting any time on getting things going.

 

[mlayton144]

No, no, no-nobody has been on that island since 1983. Didn't you know that? It's like the Rocket Rods/Peoplemover at DL-sitting there empty, and crumbling, like a ghost. In fact, it's the least visited Disney attraction in history. /s

Can you think of another 2 attractions that had less visitation over approx 14 acres ? I can’t.