MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

[Purduevian]

This might be more driven by inherent capacity issues with coasters coupled with lightening lane but I get your point.

I mean... all those coasters have pretty high capacity. They are no pirates or small world, but certainly higher capacity than Jungle cruise, pan, ect.

 

[Casper Gutman]

When coasters stop being the most popular rides in each park (other than AK) they will.

Longest average wait time in 2025:

MK: 1) Tron (70), 2) Big Thunder (53) 3) 7 Dwarf (52)

EPCOT: 1) GOTG (61)

DHS: 1) SDD (63)

AK: Everest is actually 5th out of 7

Like it or not... there still isn't enough coaster supply to meet demand.

Well, let’s just plop down nothing but naked steel coasters! I mean, if Slinky is our benchmark, forget capacity and Disney’s foundation on family rides and everything else - open up those thrill machines. It’s cheaper too!

 

[Purduevian]

Well, let’s just plop down nothing but naked steel coasters! I mean, if Slinky is our benchmark, forget capacity and Disney’s foundation on family rides and everything else - open up those thrill machines. It’s cheaper too!

I'm not saying everything needs to be thrill machines or naked coasters... but there is clearly still a huge demand for more coasters in the parks simply based on wait times. Why do you think they are building monsters door coaster instead of a presumably cheaper monsters dark ride?

 

[Brer Panther]

When coasters stop being the most popular rides in each park (other than AK) they will.

Longest average wait time in 2025:

MK: 1) Tron (70), 2) Big Thunder (53) 3) 7 Dwarf (52)

EPCOT: 1) GOTG (61)

DHS: 1) SDD (63)

AK: Everest is actually 5th out of 7

Like it or not... there still isn't enough coaster supply to meet demand.

What about Space Mountain and the Barnstormer?

 

[Purduevian]

What about Space Mountain and the Barnstormer?

Space mountain comes in a 7th behind the 3 coasters and Tiana, Pan, and JC. 1 of which is new, and 2 of which have awful capacity

Barnstormer is obviously a lot lower, but I would argue still punches above it's current experience. It is tied with small world (12 mins) and beats out dumbo, mermaid, speedway, tea party, peoplemover, Carrousel, and COP

BTW source: https://queue-times.com/en-US/parks/6/stats/2025

People can find whatever stats they want to try to prove or disprove a point... however adding more rollercoasters have proven to be a winning formula for Disney... In no world should the 11 year old 7 dwarfs mine train still be a ILL... but here we are. I bet the budget for that was actually smaller than Mermaid.

 

[Horizons '83]

I mean... all those coasters have pretty high capacity. They are no pirates or small world, but certainly higher capacity than Jungle cruise, pan, ect.

Depends I suppose, TRON is around 1600 an hour, GoTG 1700 an hour, slinky dog around 1400 I believe. JC is 1800.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Depends I suppose, TRON is around 1600 an hour, GoTG 1700 an hour, slinky dog around 1400 I believe. JC is 1800.

JC is a surprisingly high capacity ride, guess just due to number of people per boat. It is slow loader/unloader which I think can make the line feel worse.

It does take up a lot of real estate though so capacitor acre is probably not the best but remember looking the capacity and was expecting it to be lower

 

[DCLcruiser]

We need more looping, inverted, scream machine coasters. Not less. I have no issue with seeing the steel if themed enough.

I’m still mad that DAK didn’t get Dueling Dragons. Villians would be a great place for a thicket/dragon inspired coaster. Iron Dragon was a favorite of mine as a kid.

 

[ToTBellHop]

We need more looping, inverted, scream machine coasters. Not less. I have no issue with seeing the steel if themed enough.

I’m still mad that DAK didn’t get Dueling Dragons. Villians would be a great place for a thicket/dragon inspired coaster. Iron Dragon was a favorite of mine as a kid.

I suspect we are getting Cars specifically because the coaster will be among WDW’s more intense rides. Still nothing like you’d get at a Six Flags, but more intense than Thunder.

It would be a big miss to build a Villain kiddie land.

 

[Purduevian]

JC is a surprisingly high capacity ride, guess just due to number of people per boat. It is slow loader/unloader which I think can make the line feel worse.

It does take up a lot of real estate though so capacitor acre is probably not the best but remember looking the capacity and was expecting it to be lower

Today I learned... I thought the loading/unloading made the Jungle cruise capacity quite bad... ok now the lines for that ride really do not make sense to me haha. At least Peter Pan, I can understand the lines due to the capacity.

 

[FutureCEO]

I think it’s a delicate balance for Disney as there are now (I’m assuming) a substantial group of people visiting the parks multiple times a year or even multiple times a month, but still a substantial number who visit every few years or annually at most.

For me replacing Haunted Mansion in the name of “newness” would be like replacing Halloween with a new disco themed holiday to keep life fresh. I love annual traditions - the beach in the summer, pumpkin patches in October, Christmas trees in December. The tradition makes them better, not boring. That said, I get that Halloween 5 or 6 or 20 times a year would get to be a lot.

I think Disney has so far started upping the novelty factor for frequent visitors with things like changing festivals, but I’ll be curious if we eventually see more within-ride variation, or rides that easily lend themselves to seasonal overlays. We’ve already seen a little of this with things like alternating songs on Guardians, and that seems to be a big hit.

For me, Halloween once a year is a lot.

 

[DCLcruiser]

I suspect we are getting Cars specifically because the coaster will be among WDW’s more intense rides. Still nothing like you’d get at a Six Flags, but more intense than Thunder.

It would be a big miss to build a Villain kiddie land.

100%. A teen+ oriented coaster would be ideal. RnRC but with some teeth and medieval theming. Give kids something to look forward to in the future, and older kids/adults an exhilarating ride at MK. They can even include sets of some sort throughout to keep people happy.

 

[JackCH]

I suspect we are getting Cars specifically because the coaster will be among WDW’s more intense rides. Still nothing like you’d get at a Six Flags, but more intense than Thunder.

It would be a big miss to build a Villain kiddie land.

Having villains be the most intense coaster at MK would be great. Especially if the second ride is a dark ride or boat ride. It would give a nice spectrum of coasters from kiddie to intense- Barnstormer-SDMT-Thunder-Space-Tron-Villains.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Having villains be the most intense coaster at MK would be great. Especially if the second ride is a dark ride or boat ride. It would give a nice spectrum of coasters from kiddie to intense- Barnstormer-SDMT-Thunder-Space-Tron-Villains.

I’m all for a big coaster as long as it’s not painful. I want VelociCoaster, not Hulk. Even RnRC is rattly in the back…wish they’d switch to Hyperspace Mtn. Paris restraints.

 

[JackCH]

I’m all for a big coaster as long as it’s not painful. I want VelociCoaster, not Hulk. Even RnRC is rattly in the back…wish they’d switch to Hyperspace Mtn. Paris restraints.

I had an odd day a few months back where we were at Islands in the morning and then Epcot in the afternoon. Going from Hulk (and having a splitting headache) to Cosmic Rewind (like riding smooth Jazz) was striking. I don't think I could ever ride Hulk again unless it gets retracked.

Space, for whatever reason, doesn't bother me as much.

 

[eddie104]

How about WDW takes a break from coasters for awhile?

First post I 100% agree with you.

They need stick to their bread and butter and stop trying to lazily compete with Universal in the coaster department.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I had an odd day a few months back where we were at Islands in the morning and then Epcot in the afternoon. Going from Hulk (and having a splitting headache) to Cosmic Rewind (like riding smooth Jazz) was striking. I don't think I could ever ride Hulk again unless it gets retracked.

Space, for whatever reason, doesn't bother me as much.

Hulk is much faster and those restraints are killer. I need to brace my head.

I think we’ve reached the point where we can stop with over-the-shoulder restraints. If a lap bar works on a zero-g stall, it can work for everything.

 

[DCLcruiser]

I’m all for a big coaster as long as it’s not painful. I want VelociCoaster, not Hulk. Even RnRC is rattly in the back…wish they’d switch to Hyperspace Mtn. Paris restraints.

RnRC front seats. Always. (I still miss the G-clef hood ornament).

 

[Animaniac93-98]

Crazy to think now that between 1980 and 1995 WDW only had 2 roller coasters.

And not for a lack of trying (Matterhorn, Mt Fuji etc)

With 4 new coasters opened between 2014 and 2023, and Monsters Inc on the way, I don't think Villains necessarily has to have a coaster, but it's the easy choice and an obvious attempt to get Beastly Kingdom's dragon coaster finally built.

But WDI is certainly capable of making other kinds of thrills rides with better immersion.

ToT, IJA, RSR, Star Tours, Splash Mountain, they can when they think outside of the coaster box.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Crazy to think now that between 1980 and 1995 WDW only had 2 roller coasters.

And not for a lack of trying (Matterhorn, Mt Fuji etc)

With 4 new coasters opened between 2014 and 2023, and Monsters Inc on the way, I don't think Villains necessarily has to have a coaster, but it's the easy choice and an obvious attempt to get Beastly Kingdom's dragon coaster finally built.

But WDI is certainly capable of making other kinds of thrills rides with better immersion.

ToT, IJA, RSR, Star Tours, Splash Mountain, they can when they think outside of the coaster box.

I want both. A real upside down/inversion coaster, and compelling dark ride. They can throw in an Omnimover, or boat, for ride #3.