Agent H
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Why are we doubting @peter11435? He’s proven himself to be a reliable insider multiple times over.
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DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios
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Have you seen the CBA??? Do we known what benefits part time employees are entitled too? I do not really trust Disney to give us a true picture of their treatment of employees--their history is not good in that regards.
peter11435
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Many/most WDW employees are full time.
And it doesn’t really matter either way. $20/hour is $20/hour whether you’re full time or part time.
JD80
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Nothing against anyone, but it's not doubting him, it's just wondering where the numbers come from.
JD80
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Regardless of all of that, Disney still has to pay an hourly wage plus all the extras like payroll tax etc.
peter11435
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The CBA is publicly available. And things like payroll taxes aren’t affected by such agreements.
mattpeto
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Of course he knows his stuff and I respect him.
He’s also been wrong about the life of the Harmonious barges, scroll up a little bit. His words: “Obviously I was wrong about the show being retired so soon.”
Nobody is even disputing these costs. We are challenging the primary motive of the closures, which unless your sitting at a desk with the Execs, I think it mostly guesswork.
plutofan15
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I do not have access for MV solely.
lazyboy97o
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People can have relevant experience.
Has the dress rehearsals for the new Muppets show in the theater started yet?
BrianLo
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Then it should realistically open within 18 months. Give or take Mama Melrose holding it up to that point. Since that’s probably the biggest gut and replacement of the whole courtyard in my (admittedly amateur) opinion.
I think there’s like three different levels of conversation occurring. The old one that it was never going to happen to begin with (which is obviously looking more and more false), and that this project is being more cost optimized than Tropical Americas. I think we’re still merely guessing at the latter, it opening significantly earlier than the coaster would be the evidence.
Many are full-time, I do not believe most are full time. I am Retired from being a mortgage underwriter and have personally underwritten 100's of WDW employees in over 50 years working in the field. Certain positions are fulltime--like bus drivers. Your typical attraction cast member is not. My issue with your math is the gross up of 30% for benefits, without knowing the ins and outs of what benefits are available to PT cast members, there should not be an automatic gross up of 30%. Example of what I personally know, my wife works PT at local school district. She is eligible to obtain Health Ins thru the school district, but she would have to pay 100%---this is why it is important to know what the CBA states to know the real benefit an employee receives.
James Alucobond
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You’re comparing supposition he offered about the potential longevity of a show (even framed with the phrase “I think”) to explanation of in-progress work. They’re not the same thing.
peter11435
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Most attractions cast members are full time. Most meaning more than half.
The CBA is publicly available and you’re welcome to look at it if you’re interested.
Even if you remove the entire 30% (you shouldn’t) you’re still looking at over $700,000 for labor alone at just muppets.
peter11435
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I was responding to the claim that the show would be altered due to the barges blocking views across World Showcase. At the time of my statement everyone in the company was well aware of the sight lines and had no interest in making major changes to alleviate them. The maintenance challenges and unexpected related costs popped up later and coupled with some other profitability challenges with Harmonious pushed them to make major changes.
mattpeto
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Appreciate the technicality.
I remember being mostly alone about my prediction on the barges.
James Alucobond
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I’m glad it turned out as you guessed. I and many others were happy they switched gears with generally unexpected rapidity.
But I hope it’s not coming off as if I’m trying to be overly pedantic; I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s fair to dredge up someone’s beliefs, guesses, or predictions (especially when clearly framed as such) as evidence that they are often “wrong” about things. Postulating about possible future projects Disney may take on is very different from sharing information about things that have already been decided and are actively in progress.
mattpeto
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I also had good info I was leaning into. But like you said, things can go different directions pretty quick.
EeyoreFan#24
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I also think for most companies it’s not just a here and now decision. I.E land closed and Disney had to find roles for everyone overnight.
The individual areas may not see it all directly, but i would hope a big company like Disney involves finance in the planning process. So when a position is being posted somewhere, theoretically someone, likley in finance or mgmt would know they have a labor pool opening up in x amount of weeks, even though the employee dosnt know. They analyze what transfers are available to already approved requisitions and what eliminations are required, both from operations and salary. It’s cheaper to keep than hire new most cases for already approved requisitions.
Yes, it’s typical corporate budget hair splitting, yes it’s eventually eliminating actual hours worked in the long run and yes, the only people looking at that level are usually higher up in the food chain. DHS is most likely only spending already approved salary budget that wasn’t able to be spent because of open shifts along with only having to have FAM limp along the courtyard until the project folks start tearing into it. Everything else is gone for the time being. Everywhere else is just getting their reqs filled and probably now know why finance/mgmt was dragging.
Disclaimer: just my two cents based on typical corporate processing. It could totally be the Wild West and they just threw everyone to the wolves to fend for themselves job wise and cut off the land cold turkey. I hope not, but it’s possible.
The individual areas may not see it all directly, but i would hope a big company like Disney involves finance in the planning process. So when a position is being posted somewhere, theoretically someone, likley in finance or mgmt would know they have a labor pool opening up in x amount of weeks, even though the employee dosnt know. They analyze what transfers are available to already approved requisitions and what eliminations are required, both from operations and salary. It’s cheaper to keep than hire new most cases for already approved requisitions.
Yes, it’s typical corporate budget hair splitting, yes it’s eventually eliminating actual hours worked in the long run and yes, the only people looking at that level are usually higher up in the food chain. DHS is most likely only spending already approved salary budget that wasn’t able to be spent because of open shifts along with only having to have FAM limp along the courtyard until the project folks start tearing into it. Everything else is gone for the time being. Everywhere else is just getting their reqs filled and probably now know why finance/mgmt was dragging.
Disclaimer: just my two cents based on typical corporate processing. It could totally be the Wild West and they just threw everyone to the wolves to fend for themselves job wise and cut off the land cold turkey. I hope not, but it’s possible.
TrainsOfDisney
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This is the same company (and same park!) that was paying a new cast to rehearse daily to takeover the Pixar parade that was then cancelled before that cast ever once performed it.