Gusey
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Something we need to keep remembering if you're going to compare DCA's Cars Land and the Cars attraction coming to Magic Kingdom:
This is not a new Cars Land. It is a Cars-themed attraction in Frontierland.
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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This is not a new Cars Land. It is a Cars-themed attraction in Frontierland.
Tha Realest
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They’ve announced multiple attractions. I don’t know that the announcements mention it but I can’t imagine they won’t have some sort of dining and shopping options there too.
James Alucobond
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They made Journey of Water feel fairly mature overnight. Horticulture is one area where I am rarely concerned at Disney.
peter11435
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Look back at Pandora the day it opened
psherman42
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Concept art is just that. Concept art. Plans can change from the time they’re drawn to actual construction. But there could literally be a pond the size of a puddle in this new area or just a few geysers and anyone defending this project will scream, “see! There’s water!”
That was different imagineers.
psherman42
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That’s a much smaller area though. It’ll require a lot more to make this area actually look good.
peter11435
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But you said that’s what most of it looks like. And know you’re basing your entire opinion on assuming that plans will change for the worst and you’ll be left with nothing but concrete and cars? I get being cynically but don’t be ridiculous.
Not really. And the point is that they are more than capable of planting a mature setting.
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TrainsOfDisney
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I don’t think the new area will look “bad” - it has the potential to look too cartoon-ish but usually Disney does a good job (grizzly peak as a good example).
I still wonder exactly how this expansion evolved and how it ended up happening the way it did.
This is my basic understanding and guess - can any insiders tell me if I’m on the right or wrong track?
- original plan for beyond big thunder included coco attraction “beyond big thunder” and Encanto. Encanto would have likely gone where Tom Sawyer is, but also could have been between coco and villains in a “beyond” pathway and development.
- plan got cut back which left Tom Sawyer development only. Coco e ticket would not work in that space and Encanto got moved to DAK so that left “new plan scramble”
I still wonder exactly how this expansion evolved and how it ended up happening the way it did.
This is my basic understanding and guess - can any insiders tell me if I’m on the right or wrong track?
- original plan for beyond big thunder included coco attraction “beyond big thunder” and Encanto. Encanto would have likely gone where Tom Sawyer is, but also could have been between coco and villains in a “beyond” pathway and development.
- plan got cut back which left Tom Sawyer development only. Coco e ticket would not work in that space and Encanto got moved to DAK so that left “new plan scramble”
BrianLo
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Technically Bruce Vaughn was/is involved in both.
peter11435
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And many others
TrainsOfDisney
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To be fair though…. Joe, Kevin and Tony have led the creation of the most impressive projects that I’ve seen Disney create post- Walt days.
Art is of course subjective and some may disagree.
BrianLo
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I believe the majority of the prior Beyond Big Thunder proposal was looking towards the yet to be leveled 11 acre laydown yard. There very likely was a variety of proposals and some shortening of the ROA considered along with back stage utilization of Big Thunder. But that’s the roughly boundaries of the plot they were circling around back in 2022.
What I’m still not quite sure of and perhaps some more informed posters (@lazyboy97o ) might have some ideas… why exactly are they prepping so much lay down? It seems a bit excessive to me.
BrianLo
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Definitely. Just wanted to highlight someone who has some clear decision making authority and was front facing for both.
There’s ex-Epic imagineers on this project too.
peter11435
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Absolutely. But many of the same people who were responsible for making sure Pandora looked like a lush mature environment on opening day will be involved in this project as well.
eddie104
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It’s not the same as much you try to correlate them to one another.
We already discussed why our ROA is being removed ad nauseam and the reason Disneyland kept theirs.
Even though I personally don’t believe Tom Sawyer Island is gonna last on the West Coast either.
Dreamer19
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Which makes it even more out of place for where they want to put it.
If they wanted to create a Cars Land in place of Frontierland, I don’t agree with it, but it would at least make more sense than what they’re doing.
JoeCamel
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TrainsOfDisney
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That was my thought too - it would be fascinating to know what we almost got.
It sure seems to me the cars idea was pre-existing and got plopped into place when Encanto went to DAK.
But like I said, I’m not entirely sure Encanto was ever supposed to go there, or in the “beyond” plan had to exist since there was no way they could fit Coco, Encanto, and Villians into the current land they are developing and repurposing.
BrianLo
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Maybe? Though Pandora presented itself as semi thought through and we know the project was merely 18 months into development. Encanto was pulled at least 12 months prior to D23, but realistically 18.
It’s hard to say, “almost” being a bit too generous of a descriptor. We almost got Main Street theatre or reflections. Most of these things were ditched in the actual bluesky phase.
I know a lot of people think Disney announces things too early, but usually their announcements still proceed 12-18 months of development (with a few notable Iger backed IP exceptions) and it’s more appropriate to call that phase Blue Sky.
A very niche take, but I loved that Blue Sky session. Actually having understood what it was, which I think many people struggled with.