News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don't think they ever wanted fewer total people coming to the parks but they did know those very peak times were getting to the point that the crowds were causing negative guest reactions and so they wanted to spread the crowds out more.

Ideally the most crowded times be like 10% lower but then the slower times be 20% high or whatever

There was only one reasonable plan to disperse crowds in the matter they claimed they wanted

To this point…they have made zero effort to do so

They don’t want to pay for it

Bad strategy

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sure, but they are essentially the same system so when you said WDW will never have a system like that it seemed off to me because they did. It just didn’t work well for the setup and type of visitors world gets.

Personally I thought it was leaps and bounds better than the waste of money of a system they use now, but enough others felt otherwise.

No…in theory they might be similar…in practice not really close

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This conversation happens all the time. This document doesn't share anything about Disney's intent to build a 5th gate one way or another. This merely states that if they wanted one, there is a base agreement that the can with the land if they chose. It's just due diligence from a basic level.

So in 10 years if they wanted to build one, they wouldn't have to amend this document first.

They start to build a new park in ten years…Wall Street will finally get mad and force Bob to fire himself (for the weekend…then reappoint himself after a weekend on the yacht)

 

[josiah mazelin]

For two minor theme parks they should build them both in the Disney Springs Area. One of them can be Fantasy Springs (like they just built in Tokyo) and the other minor park would be Radiator Springs (like in DCA). The admission would be significantly less than the big four and the “Springs” would tie it all together theme-wise.

Obviously these lands wouldn’t be complete copies. Maybe it would include Sven’s Sliding Sleighs from Hong Kong?

Doubt they will ever do this or build a fifth gate though. They REALLY need to focus on their current parks. I mean seriously DAK and DHS have basically no rides that my toddlers can go on. The fact that The Great Movie Ride was “too expensive” to maintain and other attractions are also being replaced instead of added to shows me that they aren’t in the market for building more parks.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It should also be mentioned that *IF* there were to be a 5th Gate, it wouldn't be allowed under the new Comprehensive Plan until 2035.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

I'd love if they did a small park that was just about Walt and Roy and the history of the company - can move One Man's Dream there, maybe even Carousel of Progress, heck, put Muppet*Vision 3D there ... Basically all the historical elements that should be preserved.

and make it FREE admission (or a nominal fee that goes to charity). Can charge for food and souvenirs of course.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'd love if they did a small park that was just about Walt and Roy and the history of the company - can move One Man's Dream there, maybe even Carousel of Progress, heck, put Muppet*Vision 3D there ... Basically all the historical elements that should be preserved.

and make it FREE admission (or a nominal fee that goes to charity). Can charge for food and souvenirs of course.

…easy, Sailor…how long has it been since you’ve been on shore leave? ️

 

[Tha Realest]

and make it FREE admission (or a nominal fee that goes to charity).

Jeff Vahle reading this post:

 

[SteveAZee]

It should also be mentioned that *IF* there were to be a 5th Gate, it wouldn't be allowed under the new Comprehensive Plan until 2035.

Does that mean they can't file for permits until 2035, or that they can't open a new theme park to the public until 2035?

 

[MisterPenguin]

Does that mean they can't file for permits until 2035, or that they can't open a new theme park to the public until 2035?

Not sure.

Maybe they can start building in 2030 in anticipation and somehow finish it in just two years and have to sit on it for three more!!

 

[Centauri Space Station]

For two minor theme parks they should build them both in the Disney Springs Area. One of them can be Fantasy Springs (like they just built in Tokyo) and the other minor park would be Radiator Springs (like in DCA). The admission would be significantly less than the big four and the “Springs” would tie it all together theme-wise.

Obviously these lands wouldn’t be complete copies. Maybe it would include Sven’s Sliding Sleighs from Hong Kong?

Doubt they will ever do this or build a fifth gate though. They REALLY need to focus on their current parks. I mean seriously DAK and DHS have basically no rides that my toddlers can go on. The fact that The Great Movie Ride was “too expensive” to maintain and other attractions are also being replaced instead of added to shows me that they aren’t in the market for building more parks.

Navi river, safari, Toy story mania, alien saucers?

 

[Dranth]

The fact that you continue to post here serves only one purpose - to demonstrate how little you actually understand. It would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

Now keep dancing for us, son.

I disagree with him on a number of things, but he isn't wrong on this one.

• They have underbuilt parks that can absorb a LOT more people if they expand them. Those parks have existing infrastructure which makes it easier and cheaper to develop and build out vs. an entire new park.
• They understand their main audience has limited vacation time and already know people are unlikely to extend their vacations but instead sacrifice one thing they would have done for something else.
• They have a strained employee pool that has never recovered from 2020 and staffing new builds in existing parks is WORLDS easier than trying to staff an entire new park. Even an entire parks worth of attractions built over the four current parks would require less staffing than the same number of attractions in a brand-new park once you factor in employees for back of house, support, utilities, security, transportation, etc.

Sure, nothing is impossible, and I'll gladly admit to being wrong on this if it does happen, but it would be business malpractice to do so in Florida anytime soon. I would expect most of the other locations around the world with room to get a new gate before Florida.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Does that mean they can't file for permits until 2035, or that they can't open a new theme park to the public until 2035?

Planning permission and building permission are two separate things. You need planning approval first. Comprehensive Plans (along with Master Plans, Future Land Use Plans and Zoning Plans) are also not set in stone and quite malleable.

 

[monothingie]

It’s obvious why he is wrong. I don’t need to prove anything to him or you or anyone else who can’t see why. So with that, keep making noise while you and he engage in…..

Forget the tremendous capital expense to build a new park.

The most important thing to Disney is YOY growth. The quarterly earnings mean EVERYTHING to Bob and Wall Street.

Key amongst that is that Disney cares tremendously about operational costs and maximizing LL revenue streams.

While a new park may be tremendously popular, it also increases operational expenses significantly. It is also very likely that it will cannibalize a large portion of the existing guest base. LL brings in a tremendous amount of revenue for Disney. It works best for Disney with full parks, adding a new park will dilute LL revenue at the existing parks.

If a new park was going to justify the build cost and not affect the OI for WDW, then shovels would have been in the ground already. They've done the analysis, and a new park is not financially viable at this point.

 

[JoeCamel]

I think a lot of the salivating over a new park is fatigue with the same offerings year after year or a dribble of something new. Stale has a stench.
Fans have "done" everything in the parks time after time so they want new and "damn the cost it's what I want".
Does not have to be logical or make sense it is a want and I need my wants fulfilled ipso facto TDO is going to build me a new park.

Seems to point to someone who has never run a business nor cares if that business thrives to feed the stockholders

 

[gwhb75]

I disagree with him on a number of things, but he isn't wrong on this one.

• They have underbuilt parks that can absorb a LOT more people if they expand them. Those parks have existing infrastructure which makes it easier and cheaper to develop and build out vs. an entire new park.
• They understand their main audience has limited vacation time and already know people are unlikely to extend their vacations but instead sacrifice one thing they would have done for something else.
• They have a strained employee pool that has never recovered from 2020 and staffing new builds in existing parks is WORLDS easier than trying to staff an entire new park. Even an entire parks worth of attractions built over the four current parks would require less staffing than the same number of attractions in a brand-new park once you factor in employees for back of house, support, utilities, security, transportation, etc.

Sure, nothing is impossible, and I'll gladly admit to being wrong on this if it does happen, but it would be business malpractice to do so in Florida anytime soon. I would expect most of the other locations around the world with room to get a new gate before Florida.

Agree with this. The only unfortunate thing is that "expanding existing parks" doesn't get the same hype as "a whole new park".

Now if we could only have a true expansion of existing parks (i.e. just add new things (like villains land) and not take things away first (like tropical americas in AK)).

 

[Advisable Joseph]

Disney needs land to expand. Pulling guests from the Magic Kingdom and Epcot (or otherwise unceasing attraction supply for the guests), then lowering prices to increase volume (and income) and accessing middle-class families, while building out the other parks, is the idea.

I just don't see them doing a 5th gate in Orlando

Would you consider a Magic Kingdom Colony across the Lagoon or part of the current parking lot, which guests could access with Magic Kingdom tickets, a "5th gate"?

Given all the work going on and to be announced at DHS, I think a park-adjacent hotel complex is a safer bet for them.

How about parking, so the park can expand into the old parking lot?

 

[ChrisFL]

They had a 5th gate and they closed it..................DisneyQuest

 

[Tha Realest]

lowering prices to increase volume (and income) and accessing middle-class families, while building out the other parks, is the idea.

There’s no evidence 1) this is happening, or 2) they intend to do this.

 

[JoeCamel]

There’s no evidence 1) this is happening, or 2) they intend to do this.

It's non-sensical too, increase your costs to get less money per guest and do huge capital outlays?
Bob sez nyet