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PiratesMansion

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I was speaking in regards to the more unique hotel food offerings as being a nuisance due to the security aspect.
To each their own. Overall I have a lot of things I would like DLR to fix in regards to security, but I don't think dealing with security from hotel to get back into the core of the resort is usually THAT tedious; certainly not enough so to negate the quality of the restaurants in the GCH in particular.
DTD used to have some character. It was never as fun as City Walk, but it had things to see other than flat white stucco walls. Mid-century modern just always seems so barren and hot to me. It reminds me of Palm Springs and other desert communities.
I can understand not caring for a particular design aesthetics, but midcentury modern is going to be associated with Disneyland in some capacity because that was a key design style when the park opened. They're harkening back for nostalgia's sake. So they could do a lot worse than bringing back a design aesthetic associated with the time period the park opened IMO.
The reason I miss the AMC and House of Blues is DTD used to have some things to DO. Not just eat and shop, but actives. You could catch a concert. See a movie. This also was a lot better in the days before reservations as you could go to Disneyland for dinner, catch a movie afterwards, and it was a fun little date night. Now, I know I can't get another reservation for a few weeks at the earliest, so I don't want to be as casual with my time there.
I can understand why that would be a drawback for the current version if you were used to using DTD a certain way.
And after paying the higher prices that Disney charges now, I don't want to waste time sitting outside the park eating in a generic mall. Rainforest was tacky, but at least I felt like I was getting an experience when eating there. If we're at Disney, chances are we liked themed environments and experiences.
Ok, but I might push back a bit at the notion that huge numbers of the restaurants at either park are genuinely heavily themed. Atmosphere is doing a LOT of heavy lifting at most of those in-park restaurants, sometimes all of the heavy lifting. To go back to a restaurant you brought up, there's no way that Tomorrowland Terrace is more heavily themed or has better atmosphere than most any restaurant in Downtown Disney, unless we're giving it brownie points just because it's inside Disneyland. And if you prefer the atmosphere of the parks, fair, but I wouldn't say DTD has NO atmosphere.

It's also a less stressful atmosphere. I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person here who can find the park experience a little stressful and overwhelming at times, and can find going to the hotels or DTD a bit to be more relaxing. Granted, I'm not a day tripper or a local, but still.
Disney should have their own immersive escape rooms and magic lounge and other entertainment experiences at their mall. Give me something to do for 2-3 hours ang guess what? I might just visit without a reservation and also dine/shop while I'm there. But I'm not going to go fight resort traffic to only grab a bite in a washed-out cafeteria. Ever.
I totally agree with the notion that they could and should do more than just have shops and restaurants there, but it's also not a washed out cafeteria. Come on. There are some genuinely nice places to eat there. Din Tai Fung doesn't exactly show up in dying carcasses of strip malls, you know? If it's not for you it's not for you, but it's not like it's a burnt out row of has-been businesses either.
 

Professortango1

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To each their own. Overall I have a lot of things I would like DLR to fix in regards to security, but I don't think dealing with security from hotel to get back into the core of the resort is usually THAT tedious; certainly not enough so to negate the quality of the restaurants in the GCH in particular.

I can understand not caring for a particular design aesthetics, but midcentury modern is going to be associated with Disneyland in some capacity because that was a key design style when the park opened. They're harkening back for nostalgia's sake. So they could do a lot worse than bringing back a design aesthetic associated with the time period the park opened IMO.

I can understand why that would be a drawback for the current version if you were used to using DTD a certain way.

Ok, but I might push back a bit at the notion that huge numbers of the restaurants at either park are genuinely heavily themed. Atmosphere is doing a LOT of heavy lifting at most of those in-park restaurants, sometimes all of the heavy lifting. To go back to a restaurant you brought up, there's no way that Tomorrowland Terrace is more heavily themed or has better atmosphere than most any restaurant in Downtown Disney, unless we're giving it brownie points just because it's inside Disneyland. And if you prefer the atmosphere of the parks, fair, but I wouldn't say DTD has NO atmosphere.

It's also a less stressful atmosphere. I'm starting to wonder if I'm the only person here who can find the park experience a little stressful and overwhelming at times, and can find going to the hotels or DTD a bit to be more relaxing. Granted, I'm not a day tripper or a local, but still.

I totally agree with the notion that they could and should do more than just have shops and restaurants there, but it's also not a washed out cafeteria. Come on. There are some genuinely nice places to eat there. Din Tai Fung doesn't exactly show up in dying carcasses of strip malls, you know? If it's not for you it's not for you, but it's not like it's a burnt out row of has-been businesses either.

Would you say it's easier, as a park guest, to remain in the park to eat than to leave the security bubble and eat at the hotel? Of course not. You can argue that the inconvenience is minor compared to the quality, but that's exactly the point. We are saying we would like more TS options IN the park, because we would like the benefit of a nice restaurant without the inconvenience of having to be held at the front gate for 20 minutes because Main Street is too crowded ATM.

As for Mid century Modern, Disney had some history with in regard to their sign and hotel, but the parks certainly didn't have that aesthetic. The closest we got to that is the retro futurism of 67, and I know I found all that beige flat design to be quite dull. As did many others, hence the desire for a new TL it backfired for a number of reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that the style wasn't particularly beloved in the 80's and 90's.

"Classy" minimalist changes like DTD and Epcot's newly returned areas just feel lifeless and cheap. Convention Center isn't an aesthetic that's winning very many over.

Disney made their reputation with high quality themed environments. So much so that the malls began to ditch their minimalist design and ape Disney. And instead of keeping that trajectory, Disney went backwards to look like our local outdoor mall in the 50's. Cool. I feel so transported.

I haven't visited Dinn Tai Fung, so their food may be incredible. But from the images on Google, I'm not too anxious to try it. The interior looks like a CPK/PF Chang with big open room and a curved bar. At least PF Chang has the horses out front.

The bottom line is: if Disney wants me to leave the expensive and superior atmosphere within their parks, they need to give me something worth the trouble. Trader Sam's almost achieves it, but the lack of inside seating and size makes it fall short for me. However, if that was inside the parks, I might stop by and see if I can grab a seat more often. Outside ...it's not worth the 30 minute process of exiting the parks and walking down there to find out there's only outdoor seating available.

Either make DTD Disney quality in look and energy or give us more TS inside the parks.
 

Professortango1

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Why can’t you get reservations for a few weeks at the earliest? As an MK holder shouldn’t you have 2-6 reservations at your disposal and booked at all times? Also, as I’ve said in the past I have always gotten any day I wanted by checking the night before.

By washed out cafeteria do you mean the indoor seating at Craftsman? lol. I dunno, I like that it feels like a nice change of pace from the parks. Food is ok. Seems like their menu is pretty limited now. Peanut butter blondes are legit. Not sure it’s worth going back and forth through security though. Haven’t done it in a while.
Can't get reservations for weeks due to blackout dates and availability on the app. I am never able to say...y'know, let's get dinner at Disney tonight and then do some shopping at DTD. Book your trip weeks in advance or don't come it seems is the basic message.

I'd illustrate it with the app right now, but its summer so its a moot point as I'm blacked out until Augest regardless. And since DTD offers no visual treats or real entertainment aside from bowling and cover bands, Disney doesn't get any of my money until August. If only they had decent offerings at DTD, I might go down there and spend to feel like I'm at Disney. Lost opportunity.

By washed out cafeteria I'm referring to all the new construction they've had. Big boxy beige buildings with flat open concept spaces inside. Tortilla Joe's character replaced with what looks like my local outdoor mall dining area. But at least I can see a movie at that mall. And not pay to park nor inflated restaurant prices.
 

PiratesMansion

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Would you say it's easier, as a park guest, to remain in the park to eat than to leave the security bubble and eat at the hotel? Of course not.
I imagine you meant harder here?
You can argue that the inconvenience is minor compared to the quality, but that's exactly the point. We are saying we would like more TS options IN the park, because we would like the benefit of a nice restaurant without the inconvenience of having to be held at the front gate for 20 minutes because Main Street is too crowded ATM.
But how often does this actually happen? When parades are starting or ending?
As for Mid century Modern, Disney had some history with in regard to their sign and hotel, but the parks certainly didn't have that aesthetic. The closest we got to that is the retro futurism of 67, and I know I found all that beige flat design to be quite dull. As did many others, hence the desire for a new TL it backfired for a number of reasons, but that doesn't change the fact that the style wasn't particularly beloved in the 80's and 90's.
So you agree that it makes sense that the primary place we are seeing the mid century modern is closer to the DL Hotel, a place where it is a logical fit. It may not be your personal preference, but there's a reason it's there.

That's the beauty of time marching on, sometimes society will entirely reverse its love for, or aversion towards, particular design styles. Unfortunately, we are not always consulted when they do so.
Disney made their reputation with high quality themed environments. So much so that the malls began to ditch their minimalist design and ape Disney. And instead of keeping that trajectory, Disney went backwards to look like our local outdoor mall in the 50's. Cool. I feel so transported.
Maybe this is because I'm a non-local, but I genuinely am unsure of what your frame of reference is here, that malls ditched their minimalist designs to ape Disney. I suppose City Walk would be one, a place that I agree is better than Downtown Disney but not remarkably so. What are some other examples? Malls by me have definitely NOT gone in that direction, and I wouldn't say I've ever been to a mall that feels truly transportive EVER.

But again, I fail to see how the restaurants within the parks are largely high quality themed environments in a way that the restaurants in Downtown Disney are not. High quality themed environments, for me, would describe (in park) Blue Bayou and Carthay Circle. Otherwise I would describe most Disney restaurants in California as having pleasant atmosphere but not necessarily as being highly themed in a way you simply could not find outside of the parks. Just being in the parks seems to do a lot of heavy lifting here in your reasoning, unless there's something I'm overlooking. To me, a pleasant environment or atmosphere is not necessarily a theme, certainly not enough of one to definitively say that it is inherently superior to restaurants outside of park gates.
I haven't visited Dinn Tai Fung, so their food may be incredible. But from the images on Google, I'm not too anxious to try it. The interior looks like a CPK/PF Chang with big open room and a curved bar. At least PF Chang has the horses out front.
I suppose you could always be the first Din Tai Fung hater, but why not at least try it first? You certainly don't have to do so in Downtown Disney, if that is the primary reason such a thing would be a deal breaker.
The bottom line is: if Disney wants me to leave the expensive and superior atmosphere within their parks, they need to give me something worth the trouble. Trader Sam's almost achieves it, but the lack of inside seating and size makes it fall short for me. However, if that was inside the parks, I might stop by and see if I can grab a seat more often. Outside ...it's not worth the 30 minute process of exiting the parks and walking down there to find out there's only outdoor seating available.

Either make DTD Disney quality in look and energy or give us more TS inside the parks.
It really doesn't take 30 minutes to exit the parks and head to ANY destination on property unless you're leaving from the furthest possible spot from the front gates. But based on your criteria, it sounds like you would not be satisfied by ANY Disney shopping district around the world.

I imagine that there may be some table service in the parks once they really get into the DL Forward plots, but until then, they've given you additional and/or refreshed table service options throughout the hotels and DTD. That you don't like where they are doesn't mean they haven't delivered.
 

mickEblu

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Can't get reservations for weeks due to blackout dates and availability on the app. I am never able to say...y'know, let's get dinner at Disney tonight and then do some shopping at DTD. Book your trip weeks in advance or don't come it seems is the basic message.

I'd illustrate it with the app right now, but its summer so its a moot point as I'm blacked out until Augest regardless. And since DTD offers no visual treats or real entertainment aside from bowling and cover bands, Disney doesn't get any of my money until August. If only they had decent offerings at DTD, I might go down there and spend to feel like I'm at Disney. Lost opportunity.

By washed out cafeteria I'm referring to all the new construction they've had. Big boxy beige buildings with flat open concept spaces inside. Tortilla Joe's character replaced with what looks like my local outdoor mall dining area. But at least I can see a movie at that mall. And not pay to park nor inflated restaurant prices.

Oh ya same day reservations past like 11am is pretty much not happening right now but anything outside that you should be good to go.

Oh I thought you were talking about the actual cafeteria at the Grand. Yeah I don’t eat at DTD as much these days. Mostly because it’s just not as convenient. It just doesn’t really cross our mind. For a while there after they moved DTD inside the bubble we ate there more often but then that got old I guess. Makes sense I guess as the kids got older and more opinionated. No kid wants to leave the park for 1.5 hours to go sit at a restaurant. Of course as “locals” we re also not usually looking for table service in general.
 

Professortango1

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I imagine you meant harder here?
Yes,, I changed ideas midpont. lol It would be easier to eat in the park than venture outside.
But how often does this actually happen? When parades are starting or ending?
Often enough where my last 3 visits have had major headaches from parkhopping. I'm not going to ensure that for a bite to eat a blase big boxy beige bistro. Stark isn't a design aesthetic I associate with Diseny.
Maybe this is because I'm a non-local, but I genuinely am unsure of what your frame of reference is here, that malls ditched their minimalist designs to ape Disney. I suppose City Walk would be one, a place that I agree is better than Downtown Disney but not remarkably so. What are some other examples? Malls by me have definitely NOT gone in that direction, and I wouldn't say I've ever been to a mall that feels truly transportive EVER.
When you walk through a mall, especially those in the 90's, you would notice that their design aesthetic changed greatly from the 80's. Now stores had themed facades. This one looks like a sea-side tiki hut. This one looks like an industrial brick space with grafitti. Malls suddenly had themed restaurants like Rainforest Cafes and had children's areas with animatronic trees and other such themed entertainment. Outdoor malls were redesigned to mimic many of the same concepts seen on Main Street with the feeling of a central community bound by common themed architecture. There have been some great articles discussing the Disney-ification of community centers and malls.
But again, I fail to see how the restaurants within the parks are largely high quality themed environments in a way that the restaurants in Downtown Disney are not. High quality themed environments, for me, would describe (in park) Blue Bayou and Carthay Circle. Otherwise I would describe most Disney restaurants in California as having pleasant atmosphere but not necessarily as being highly themed in a way you simply could not find outside of the parks. Just being in the parks seems to do a lot of heavy lifting here in your reasoning, unless there's something I'm overlooking. To me, a pleasant environment or atmosphere is not necessarily a theme, certainly not enough of one to definitively say that it is inherently superior to restaurants outside of park gates.
You say that Tropical Hideaway feels like DTD? Or Hungry Bear? The food may be not as good, but you can't argue that the ambiance is far better here than in any of the newly constructed restaurants in DTD. And I think the point you are missing is that people like myself are wanting TS IN the parks. I go Pym's over going to Porto's. Do I think the food is better? Nope. Is the atmosphere better? Not really, but I do get to see characters walking around and interacting. But the biggest reason, I don't have to both leaving the park and getting back in when I'm done. Eating at a TS IN the park will ALWAYS be preferable than eating at a TS outside the park. The only way Disney could combat that is by delivering a DTD experience that rivals the theme park experience.
I suppose you could always be the first Din Tai Fung hater, but why not at least try it first? You certainly don't have to do so in Downtown Disney, if that is the primary reason such a thing would be a deal breaker.
Not a hater, just uninterested. And why try it? It might be good food, but the inside looks pretty generic and I'm not wasting an hour of eating, plus 30-40 minutes of travel exiting and re-entering the parks to sit in a generic looking restaurant. Why would I? Its the same reason I'm not going to leave Angel Statium to grab a bite in the 4th inning and come back to catch the rest of the game. Sure, the surrounding restaurants might taste better, but I paid money to go to an entertainment destination. I'm not going to pay that money then be inconvenienced to visit Bubba Gump Shrimp Co. I'm going to grab food at the Stadium.
It really doesn't take 30 minutes to exit the parks and head to ANY destination on property unless you're leaving from the furthest possible spot from the front gates. But based on your criteria, it sounds like you would not be satisfied by ANY Disney shopping district around the world.
If Disney had multiple exits/entrances, sure. But Mainstreet in a bottleneck and takes a good 5-12 minutes each way. If you're coming from GE or HM, you're looking at a longer journey. Then you have to wait in line to re-enter. Leaving the park to grab a meal at a TS restaurant is about a 75 minute to 2-hour venture. Vs staying in the park and it taking only 45 minutes-an hour. And with less stress and better visuals to take in.
 

PiratesMansion

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When you walk through a mall, especially those in the 90's, you would notice that their design aesthetic changed greatly from the 80's. Now stores had themed facades. This one looks like a sea-side tiki hut. This one looks like an industrial brick space with grafitti. Malls suddenly had themed restaurants like Rainforest Cafes and had children's areas with animatronic trees and other such themed entertainment. Outdoor malls were redesigned to mimic many of the same concepts seen on Main Street with the feeling of a central community bound by common themed architecture. There have been some great articles discussing the Disney-ification of community centers and malls.
This...doesn't really help differentiate DTD from high end malls to me? Or make it obvious how DTD somehow represents a regression from former heights of the themed mall. I was looking for something concrete differentiating how malls had improved, some sort of visual to help me better understand what you were trying to say, because I still don't really understand your point here.
You say that Tropical Hideaway feels like DTD? Or Hungry Bear? The food may be not as good, but you can't argue that the ambiance is far better here than in any of the newly constructed restaurants in DTD.
I didn't say that?

And honestly, how do you know? It sounds like you have made no effort whatsoever to try the new DTD restaurants.
And I think the point you are missing is that people like myself are wanting TS IN the parks. I go Pym's over going to Porto's. Do I think the food is better? Nope. Is the atmosphere better? Not really, but I do get to see characters walking around and interacting. But the biggest reason, I don't have to both leaving the park and getting back in when I'm done. Eating at a TS IN the park will ALWAYS be preferable than eating at a TS outside the park. The only way Disney could combat that is by delivering a DTD experience that rivals the theme park experience.
Ok, so where does the Table Service go without removing something else of value? Where does it go? That is the point that people have been seemingly unable to answer. Somewhere besides Tomorrowland Terrace, because I truly think the only people who would be happy eating there for table service meals are people willing to accept literally new any table service spot without taking atmosphere and theme into account.
Not a hater, just uninterested. And why try it? It might be good food, but the inside looks pretty generic and I'm not wasting an hour of eating, plus 30-40 minutes of travel exiting and re-entering the parks to sit in a generic looking restaurant. Why would I? Its the same reason I'm not going to leave Angel Statium to grab a bite in the 4th inning and come back to catch the rest of the game. Sure, the surrounding restaurants might taste better, but I paid money to go to an entertainment destination. I'm not going to pay that money then be inconvenienced to visit Bubba Gump Shrimp Co. I'm going to grab food at the Stadium.
The entire point was that it is a respected chain that has locations OUTSIDE of DTD. The point I was trying to make was-why not try it outside of DTD unless you just aren't into Chinese food? It's not just Disney people singing the praises of DTF, even people who basically only post here when they have new reasons to hate on Disney have admitted to that. There are plenty of non-DTD locations to try if that's the big hang-up.
If Disney had multiple exits/entrances, sure. But Mainstreet in a bottleneck and takes a good 5-12 minutes each way. If you're coming from GE or HM, you're looking at a longer journey. Then you have to wait in line to re-enter. Leaving the park to grab a meal at a TS restaurant is about a 75 minute to 2-hour venture. Vs staying in the park and it taking only 45 minutes-an hour. And with less stress and better visuals to take in.
I guess I can't visualize a Disneyland where being in a park is ALWAYS less stressful than not being in a park.
 

Professortango1

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And honestly, how do you know? It sounds like you have made no effort whatsoever to try the new DTD restaurants.
How do I know eating in the park offers more ambiance and visual interest than the new DTD restaurants? Um....I've experienced them. Walk in, look around, and go....nah. Didn't pay $30 something for parking to eat at a place that looks like the CPK by my house. Especially when I can eat inside the park and have a far better experience.

As for your earlier question:

Malls generic and stark.
Disney created themed and cozy shopping already
Malls copy Disney.
Disney rethemes their mall to generic and stark design.

Were you not on these forums when they redid the World of Disney store? Pretty much everyone agrees the previous design was better.

And as for the Chinese place, I might check it out at a standalone location if it looks more visually interesting than the DTD location. I've heard the food is good, but I can have tasty Chinese food a lot of places. If I'm paying higher prices, I want something that doesn't feel like PF Changs without the horses.

Where to put TS? Tiana's? Hungry Bear could easily be converted. TL Terrace could be great with a little effort. Golden Horseshoe. Galaxy's Edge unused expansion plot planned for...ma TS restaurant. Carousel Theatre. Tons of options to add 1 or 2.
 

PiratesMansion

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How do I know eating in the park offers more ambiance and visual interest than the new DTD restaurants? Um....I've experienced them. Walk in, look around, and go....nah. Didn't pay $30 something for parking to eat at a place that looks like the CPK by my house. Especially when I can eat inside the park and have a far better experience.

As for your earlier question:

Malls generic and stark.
Disney created themed and cozy shopping already
Malls copy Disney.
Disney rethemes their mall to generic and stark design.

Were you not on these forums when they redid the World of Disney store? Pretty much everyone agrees the previous design was better.

And as for the Chinese place, I might check it out at a standalone location if it looks more visually interesting than the DTD location. I've heard the food is good, but I can have tasty Chinese food a lot of places. If I'm paying higher prices, I want something that doesn't feel like PF Changs without the horses.

Where to put TS? Tiana's? Hungry Bear could easily be converted. TL Terrace could be great with a little effort. Golden Horseshoe. Galaxy's Edge unused expansion plot planned for...ma TS restaurant. Carousel Theatre. Tons of options to add 1 or 2.
I'm going to move on because I just don't get the sense you're willing to either truly hear what I'm saying or elaborate where I'm asking you to elaborate. It just seems like you're willing to let one or two sins kill DTD for you, which I suppose is your prerogative (and not just yours, as you aren't the only one here asking like Downtown Disney might as well be in China and not directly adjacent to the two parks). Furthermore, it makes no sense to me to argue that Tomorrowland Terrace, one of the ugliest, least interesting dining environments in the entire park, that doesn't even serve particularly interesting food much of the time, could be converted easily to table service and still have more atmosphere and be more desirable than anything at DTD just because, which is wild.

But whatever. Moving on.
 

Professortango1

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I'm going to move on because I just don't get the sense you're willing to either truly hear what I'm saying or elaborate where I'm asking you to elaborate. It just seems like you're willing to let one or two sins kill DTD for you, which I suppose is your prerogative (and not just yours, as you aren't the only one here asking like Downtown Disney might as well be in China and not directly adjacent to the two parks). Furthermore, it makes no sense to me to argue that Tomorrowland Terrace, one of the ugliest, least interesting dining environments in the entire park, that doesn't even serve particularly interesting food much of the time, could be converted easily to table service and still have more atmosphere and be more desirable than anything at DTD just because, which is wild.

But whatever. Moving on.
You don't understand how people would rather watch a live band while the subs traverse the lagoon in the distance is a better atmosphere than a CPK? Not to mention that it would be less hassle than exiting/entering the park. Its pretty objective. Disney parks atmosphere is always going to trump a modern bland open concept minimalist restaurants. Staying in the parks to eat will always be more convenient than leaving. Just speaking objectively.
 

DLR92

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It wasn’t a hassle for me to leave the parks to eat out in Downtown Disney. It was great to eat out in Naples. Although my steak could have been better. 😆
It wasn’t a hassle to eat out of property even like to Garden Grove and Fullerton and come back to the parks. I couldn’t get an open spot in Blue Bayou. Many other eateries inside Disneyland did not appeal to me at all. Especially the quick service eateries. So that what motivated me to venture out completely out of property.
 

mickEblu

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I'm going to move on because I just don't get the sense you're willing to either truly hear what I'm saying or elaborate where I'm asking you to elaborate. It just seems like you're willing to let one or two sins kill DTD for you, which I suppose is your prerogative (and not just yours, as you aren't the only one here asking like Downtown Disney might as well be in China and not directly adjacent to the two parks). Furthermore, it makes no sense to me to argue that Tomorrowland Terrace, one of the ugliest, least interesting dining environments in the entire park, that doesn't even serve particularly interesting food much of the time, could be converted easily to table service and still have more atmosphere and be more desirable than anything at DTD just because, which is wild.

But whatever. Moving on.

I think DTD is fine and has a lot of good options to eat now. Great for people on vacation and staying at the hotels. Or even locals stepping out for dinner and an evening out. It’s leaps and bounds better than CitiWalk at the moment. For day trippers driving from 1.5 hours away (with traffic) coming to DLR for a 7-8 hour trip it’s usually not on the itinerary though. Obviously it’s just more convenient to stay in the park and table service isn’t something day trippers/ annual pass holders are typically looking for. I could see us eating at DTD more if they had more quick service options that are closer to the parks side. But even now we rarely stop at Earls. Not to mention all the seasonal food at the parks Disney promotes.
 

Disney Irish

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I think the take away here (and this discussion has been had before), Disney isn't going to be make it easier for the drop-in at the end of the day for a few hours Key crowd to do much of anything beyond ride a few rides or shop at DLR. If you're a Key they want you to commit to a full day rather than drop-in and use it as a "hang out". So any new TSR in the future will cater to the full day guest and ideally the vacationer, the few hour Key guest is going to be last on their list of priorities. This is why its harder to get reservations very last minute, and I don't see that changing. This is why some are saying that DTD is a better alternative for dining needs for such a guest, as its close enough to the Parks and easy enough to get access without having to reserve in advance. Yes it might not have the same atmosphere as being inside the Parks, but that is the trade-off you have to accept by dropping in toward the end of the day.
 

Professortango1

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I think the take away here (and this discussion has been had before), Disney isn't going to be make it easier for the drop-in at the end of the day for a few hours Key crowd to do much of anything beyond ride a few rides or shop at DLR. If you're a Key they want you to commit to a full day rather than drop-in and use it as a "hang out". So any new TSR in the future will cater to the full day guest and ideally the vacationer, the few hour Key guest is going to be last on their list of priorities. This is why its harder to get reservations very last minute, and I don't see that changing. This is why some are saying that DTD is a better alternative for dining needs for such a guest, as its close enough to the Parks and easy enough to get access without having to reserve in advance. Yes it might not have the same atmosphere as being inside the Parks, but that is the trade-off you have to accept by dropping in toward the end of the day.
I'm typically there from 9/10 am till closing. And I would get TS every visit if it was available.
 

coffeefan

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SoCal has a big restaurant/ foodie culture, It's not unreasonable that more locals would get TS if it was more convenient inside the park. I don't know where this belief of locals being frugal came from, maybe that's the case in other places.
Just my experience, but having gone to the parks many times and with many different groups we always had at least a meal at the park and got some merch. Sure, Disney gets more from travelers who stay at hotels and probably more on merch to commemorate their visit, but Disney is definitely benefitting from both ends. Just my experience anyhow.
 
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DLR92

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Disney put out in the press, the building expansion would take place where area is traditionally back house where guest do not enter. So the building will be behind the roller coaster.
I’m not sure why these YouTube influencers would so over dramatic about the expansion of Coco.
 

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