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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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donaldtoo
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The time period of Frontierland isn’t stale to me, and is very relevant. There was originally a set time period for the vast majority of the land.
I never came even remotely close to saying 1780. I posted, multiple times, that the approx. time period was 1870’s-ish. Read more closely, please.
To further the BTMR timeline…
From 1849 to about 1860, most of the surface gold had been snatched up by the “Miner 49ers”.
Corporate mining started to take over after that, and a bunch of those guys went to work for companies similar to the fictitious Big Thunder Mining Company.
As far as your graphic/image is concerned…
It’s, obviously, not from Disney, so there’s that.
Liberty Square isn’t even a part of Frontierland, so let’s toss that out.
I’ve never seen any references to Tennessee statehood, or Tennessee in general in Frontierland, so that one’s also gettin’ tossed.
TBA has absolutely no relation to the timeline of the Louisiana Purchase, so out it goes.
The Mexican Cession of 1848 has nothing to do with regard to BTMRs timeline. Again, BTMR is based on corporate mining which took hold from around 1860 and beyond…toss it.
Also, the BTMR rock formations are based on Monument Valley in Arizona. Monument Valley is not a National Park, but a Tribal Park owned and managed by the Navajo Nation.
In the actual Monument Valley, no Mining is allowed, and if you want to do some off-roading, it’s on a very restricted basis, and you must have a licensed Navajo guide with you. Sanctioned off-road races are banned.
And, lastly…
The National Park Service being shown with the upcoming attraction is a joke. Because, of course, off-road racing is all about taking your time to see nature and the sights of a National Park, all while polluting and ravaging the countryside.
Whether or not the new cartoon cars off-road race/rally landscape is based on Monument Valley, or some other National park, there is no sanctioned off-road racing allowed in either. Out it goes.
What a stretch that whole graphic is. Good grief.
I’m not even gonna’ bother addressing your last two paragraphs, beyond saying I totally disagree with all of it.
donaldtoo
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We can only hope.
donaldtoo
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Actually, there are several references to Texas in Frontierland…
Including Pecos Bill being named for the Pecos River here in Texas…
ETA…
All looks pretty 1870’s-ish themed to me.
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AidenRodriguez731
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I'm just curious if you are throwing out CBJ as both versions canonically take place in the 1900s and it is explicit.
(specifically around the 1930s)
donaldtoo
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You’d hafta’ go back many posts, but I already pointed out that CBJ was originally slated to be a show at the proposed Mineral King Ski Resort, that was announced in 1966. Walt and Marc Davis worked together on CBJ.
The ski resort was put on hold because of environmental concerns, but it wasn’t officially cancelled until 1978.
You know, of course, that Walt also passed in 1966.
Anyway, with as much work as had already been put into CBJ, Disney didn’t want to shelve it.
So, they put it in what they thought was the most logical location in MK back in 1971, that being Frontierland, even though it really doesn’t fit the original era for the land.
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BrianLo
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2019 as an itemized ranked laundry list of everything WDW has to offer. 1994 for a cohesive, non-crusty product.
I just can’t in good faith eliminate Animal Kingdom; it’s doing like 85% of the work, including Animal Kingdom Lodge. The other 15% out of DHS and Disney Springs.
FettFan
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Pictured: Bob Iger during that earnings call with the WDW 50th Anniversary, Galactic Starcruiser, HarmonioUS and the half-baked/quarter-delivered Epcot refresh, and the Walt Disney Studios centennial celebration behind him.
Late-90s to the mid-2000s (the end of Eisner's era) was definitely a low point for the Florida parks.
Yes, that includes Animal Kingdom, which I consider not to have properly gotten "on it's feet" until 2005-ish.
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Agent H
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I 100 percent agree. That’s when it felt the most complete to me and the most set for the future.
Brer Panther
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I have a solution for the "how does Cars fit into Frontierland" thing. Have one of Mater's "tall tales" be about how he saved all the miners during the flash flood of Big Thunder Mountain.
McQueen was there, too!
McQueen was there, too!
WorldExplorer
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I remember reading once that John Lasseter came up with the plot for Cars 2, then realized said plot required no one believe Mater because he regularly makes stuff up and Mater doesn't actually make anything up in the entire original movie, so instead of throwing away that stupid idea that led to a crappy movie he decided to make a bunch of shorts to force that character trait onto him.
"This is dumb" "No no, see, I wrote here that it's not dumb" ended up being prophetic for future uses of the Cars franchise, as we can see.
CoasterCowboy67
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None of that matters. The fact is, the Frontierland we’ve experienced since opening day does not adhere to the rigid definition you hold in your mind. The world has never known the version of Frontierland you describe, and Disney is not obligated to adhere to fictitious standards that never existed.
- What difference does it make when Walt died? He was intimately involved in the creation and vision for MK. Again — it is bold and unfounded to characterize the inclusion of CBJ in the park as a concession or mistake by its founding designers and creators. So what if the mining resort got put on hold? It got cancelled 8 years after MK opened. MK’s designers chose to put it in Frontierland as 1 of 2 opening day attractions because it fit their vision for the land. Your assertion that the lands original designers violated design principles that they themselves defined is paradoxical. So we can toss that argument right out.
- Many National Parks allow off roading including Joshua Tree, Big Bend, Canyonlands, Death Valley, so out that argument goes.
- Tom Sawyer (the island’s namesake) is set in the 1840s. Davy Crockett (the explorer canoe’s namesake) gained notoriety in the 1810s. CBJ is set in the late 1890s/early 1900s. None are set in the 1870s. Toss that out too.
- Your Texas references only serve to prove the point the land is about the broader American west — not just Monument Valley or mining towns. Davy Crockett, for whom 1 of 2 original attractions is named, was born and raised and spent most of his life in Tennessee (including serving as a congressman there). And that’s before the inclusion of Georgia via Splash Mountain. Tossed.
Bocabear
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I never really thought of Frontierland as a rigid timeframe but a sweep from earlier settler days ( Shootin Gallery's log construction) to the end of the 19th century...It could easily be pushed to a 1920s era as the timeline shifts as you walk through the space... Perhaps if the cars in the road rallye were based on Lizzie, a 1923 Model T... Antique cars instead of new...it might feel more authentic to the spirit of Frontierland...
solidyne
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I'll do same.
Incomudro
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And as a guy who has been against this whole thing but is hoping for the best - it doesn't appear that we will see and hear the cars until we are inside the land.Yeah we completely disagree
You took the word "past" -- and the ~250 years this country has existed -- and assumed one specific decadeMakes it difficult to proceed, but I'll try
- Off-road vehicles have existed since the 1900s (the decade). Cars as an IP takes place 20 years ago
- And that doesn't even matter, because the idea of exploring untamed wilderness is the obvious link to Frontierland. We are not being taken back to the time of pioneers nor do we need to; we are experiencing wilderness unaffected by urban development (aka National Parks) and appreciating an American west that looks awfully similar to what pioneers saw over a hundred years ago. That is the point.
- Song of the South takes place in the South. In rural Georgia. The South is not the West. Georgia was an original colony and never once considered the frontier. By your standards (which again, I completely disagree with) you should have complained about a violation of Frontierland's theme back in 1992 when Splash Mountain opened at MK
- The cartoon point is utterly irrelevant as evidenced by Splash Mountain (again) and the fact we have singing bears in this land already (that opened with the park and Walt Disney had direct input into)
There is a rock wall visible in the concept art that appears to block the view of the vehicles as they exit the tunnel from across the river at the dock.
The vehicle sounds will most certainly be through speakers near the riders heads, so those do not need to be loud and there will be little to no sound heard of the vehicles from outside of the vehicles.
I have no more issue that we enter a different time period in the cars area than I do that we enter different time periods going from Jungle Cruise to Pirates, to Tiana's to Liberty Square.
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AidenRodriguez731
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I mean it's not even a push to 1920s when its essentially confirmed that one of the attractions takes place in the 1930s
(CBJ)
New Permit Filed for Magic Kingdom's Frontierland Train Station Amid Railroad Route Changes
New Permit Filed for Magic Kingdom's Frontierland Train Station Amid Railroad Route Changes
New Permit Filed for Magic Kingdom's Frontierland Train Station Amid Railroad Route Changes
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danlb_2000
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New Permit Filed for Magic Kingdom's Frontierland Train Station Amid Railroad Route Changes
New Permit Filed for Magic Kingdom's Frontierland Train Station Amid Railroad Route Changes
New Permit Filed for Magic Kingdom's Frontierland Train Station Amid Railroad Route Changes
The permit is from Disney's internal construction company BVCC so it's not going to be a major change to the station.
donaldtoo
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You have your opinions, I have mine.
Again, we’ll agree to disagree.
I see how much that frustrates you, but it is what it is.
It matters to me when Walt died, as he had nothing to do with “sticking” CBJ in Frontierland.
He was not responsible for what Marc Davis and the others did. Yes, even the great Marc Davis was human and fallible.
One poster mentioned that CBJ is based in the 1930’s, and another poster mentioned 1950’s.
If either is the case, not only does it, IMO, not belong in Frontierland, it’s on the absolute incorrect side of the land, based on the progressing through time concept…it should be as far on the other side of the land as possible.
You’re, obviously, not reading my posts thoroughly.
I already mentioned way back in the thread that many National Parks allow off-roading, but it is very limited/restricted, and is of a touring nature.
Not ONE SINGLE US National Park allows any kind of sanctioned off-road racing within its boundaries.
Yes, Tom Sawyer was based in the 1840’s.
But, the book wasn’t published until 1876, making that most folks point of reference, so there’s that.
We all know Davy Crockett was killed at the Alamo in 1836. The date on the City Hall in Frontierland is 1867, so, to me anyway, the brunt of Frontierland (1870’s-ish) isn’t that far removed from Crockets later years, and fits the overall theme of westward movement. CBJ and cartoon cars exist well after westward expansion was complete to the Pacific Ocean. There was nowhere else/no further west to go.
References to Davy Crockett in Frontierland are a shadow of what they once were years ago, and we all know why.
On a side note, I’ve always loved the quote from Crockett’s Congressional speech, after he lost the 1835 Tennessee Congressional election, and shortly before he left for Texas…
“You may all go to hell, and I will go to Texas.”
I never said Texas wasn’t part of the broader west.
As a matter of fact, all of the Texas references are 1870’s-ish based. I thought that was self-explanatory.
The funny thing about Texas geographically, is that we are referred to as either the southwest, west or south, depending on what fits the narrative.
Crockett was already addressed above.
Done.
donaldtoo
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It’s already been pushed to the 1920’s via TBA.
Walt and Roy already had their studio in Cali. by then…the westward expansion was, basically, complete, in regard to reaching the Pacific Ocean.