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maleficentfan
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I hardly ever post here anymore because of the constant negativity but I’m here to say a few things that have been on my mind lately:
1. The hypocrisy is astounding. I’ve been lurking on these forums for years and every time we get a carbon copy of a ride (Remy and Tron, for example) there have been a ton of you complaining that it’s ridiculous we don’t get custom rides with custom stories. We’re getting multiple across all of the new things coming to the parks and it’s still not good enough?! Good grief!
2. I get it, certain parts of the parks are magic, hold so much nostalgia, etc. but we have to move forward. Am I going to miss Muppets, the Rivers of America, etc.? Yeah, but I’m also excited (pending execution) for these new experiences. My sister who hasn’t been in 20 years is excited. My cousin who has a 1 year old can’t wait until he’s older so they can go play in the parks and all this stuff will be done when they get back and she’s so excited. And all 3 of us LOVE Disney. But we aren’t letting the past blind us to what the future is bringing to the parks… what new magic and memories await us. In short, a number of you need to get a grip. Because there’s a reason why so many of us just lurk anymore… because this area of the forums is just toxic.
TL;DR: I’m excited for the new stuff… stop raining on other peoples parades.
1. The hypocrisy is astounding. I’ve been lurking on these forums for years and every time we get a carbon copy of a ride (Remy and Tron, for example) there have been a ton of you complaining that it’s ridiculous we don’t get custom rides with custom stories. We’re getting multiple across all of the new things coming to the parks and it’s still not good enough?! Good grief!
2. I get it, certain parts of the parks are magic, hold so much nostalgia, etc. but we have to move forward. Am I going to miss Muppets, the Rivers of America, etc.? Yeah, but I’m also excited (pending execution) for these new experiences. My sister who hasn’t been in 20 years is excited. My cousin who has a 1 year old can’t wait until he’s older so they can go play in the parks and all this stuff will be done when they get back and she’s so excited. And all 3 of us LOVE Disney. But we aren’t letting the past blind us to what the future is bringing to the parks… what new magic and memories await us. In short, a number of you need to get a grip. Because there’s a reason why so many of us just lurk anymore… because this area of the forums is just toxic.
TL;DR: I’m excited for the new stuff… stop raining on other peoples parades.
DisDude33
Well-Known Member
I mean to the point of not coming to this site anymore.
Disgruntled Walt
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
So would you rather everyone expressed nothing but positivity and happiness with the decisions Disney is making? That's called Fantasyland.
If I don't like something, I'm going to call it out. I think others here feel the same way. If more and more people are complaining, and the negativity seems to be on the rise, what do you think is the reason for that...?
Here's my hypothesis: Disney is doing more and more stuff that people disagree with. The "increased negativity" is Disney's own fault for making stupid decisions.
Chi84
Premium Member
No I don’t think that’s what people want. But at some point people need to acknowledge that WDW is supposed to be fun.
It would be nice to be able to point out some of the good without getting a rose-colored glasses meme or being told that what I actually see at WDW is not really happening there.
solidyne
Well-Known Member
I have seen (and made) lots of posts about the good, but I never have seen the latter two responses you claim.
(I'd like to see the glasses meme. That sounds funny.)
TrainsOfDisney
Well-Known Member
Good for the site? It’s a site for discussing Disney parks. This thread and muppets specifically have quite a few negative points that should be expressed.
I had a great time visiting WDW to say goodbye to muppets - it was sad but also very fun to fully appreciate such a great attraction and to stand by the fountain next to Steve Whitmire himself - I mean how cool is that!?
While I’m 100% against it I can at least understand the desire to fill in the River for better crowd flow - it’s a shame more value wasn’t placed on the riverboat for place making, theme, and the fact it’s one of the most accessible attractions in all of WDW. That alone should have saved it.
Casper Gutman
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It would be great if Disney remembered that WDW is supposed to be fun. Guests are not the ones responsible for making it fun.
Right now, Disney is ripping out the RIVERS OF AMERICA. If a poster told you 15 years ago that Disney was going to do this, you would have dismissed them as an absurd doomer. And you would have been right to do that.
Chi84
Premium Member
I understand that means a great deal to some people. But there are others who will prefer the replacements.
At the end of the day it’s a place where people go to enjoy themselves and many do so. Guests are having fun and Disney is making that possible.
Gusey
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It's funny because when you say that, I'm thinking:
A) Guests have to make their own fun on Tom Sawyer Island as its just a big play area
B) An exciting Rally Race through a national park is something I would get more fun out of on its own (+the other 3 attractions coming to this section of the park) than a slow boat ride looking at overgrown trees and an island that's difficult to get to and only has caves and chairs
Vinnie Mac
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I have to always remind myself that there is a whole world outside of our Disney/Theme parks sphere. Something I might not like may be loved by millions of other people and that's okay I'm not more important than anyone else just because I love the parks. I understand that while I'm not the biggest fan of what's replacing ROA, there is gonna be a generation of kids who will and millions of adults who will love it.
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Yes. We all love waiting in lines at theme parks with no way to escape them. Makes for an outstanding overall experience.
I can’t wait for Celestial Park in Uni to eventually utilize all that underutilized space.
Casper Gutman
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Let me help some of the confused folks. Here’s what I want:
1a) New attractions that do not replace beloved masterpieces and/ or aesthetic elements that are integral to huge sections of the park and several headliner attractions. Rat is, as far as I’m concerned, a big win. But it’s a rare example.
Failing that, I will also be excited for:
1b) new attractions that replace old ones but improve on the original. This is pretty rare at WDW. I think Tropical Americas will do it. MMRR was something of a lateral move but I love the ride. Otherwise, Disney World’s record is simply abysmal.
2) A mix of IPs (and not just the same 7 or 8) and originals.
3) GOOD new attractions. Even if Monsters and Cars weren’t replacing classic elements, both would look profoundly underwhelming, especially compared to the masterpieces based on those IPs elsewhere.
And I’ve said this bit before but a lot of folks want to ignore:
Disney DOES NOT HAVE TO REPLACE OLD ATTRACTIONS TO BUILD NEW ONES. That is a CHOICE, and it is a choice they ONLY make regularly in Florida, the resort in which there is the LEAST reason to make that choice.
From all the information we have, the current plan was an extremely last minute decision made by management shortly before D23. The alternative plan that was abandoned at the last minute would have involved the construction of several new attractions “Beyond Thunder Mountain” and elsewhere without replacing key park elements. We know this plan existed - Disney showed it off at the previous D23!
1a) New attractions that do not replace beloved masterpieces and/ or aesthetic elements that are integral to huge sections of the park and several headliner attractions. Rat is, as far as I’m concerned, a big win. But it’s a rare example.
Failing that, I will also be excited for:
1b) new attractions that replace old ones but improve on the original. This is pretty rare at WDW. I think Tropical Americas will do it. MMRR was something of a lateral move but I love the ride. Otherwise, Disney World’s record is simply abysmal.
2) A mix of IPs (and not just the same 7 or 8) and originals.
3) GOOD new attractions. Even if Monsters and Cars weren’t replacing classic elements, both would look profoundly underwhelming, especially compared to the masterpieces based on those IPs elsewhere.
And I’ve said this bit before but a lot of folks want to ignore:
Disney DOES NOT HAVE TO REPLACE OLD ATTRACTIONS TO BUILD NEW ONES. That is a CHOICE, and it is a choice they ONLY make regularly in Florida, the resort in which there is the LEAST reason to make that choice.
From all the information we have, the current plan was an extremely last minute decision made by management shortly before D23. The alternative plan that was abandoned at the last minute would have involved the construction of several new attractions “Beyond Thunder Mountain” and elsewhere without replacing key park elements. We know this plan existed - Disney showed it off at the previous D23!
TheRealSkull
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
One good thing about this is that people will hopefully stop comparing Disneyland to WDW. It will give the Magic Kingdom its own identity once this, and Villains open hopefully around 2029.
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
This is not a “both sides” issue. The Rivers are an integral part of the park. They are central to the narrative and aesthetics of a huge, central part of the resort and three headliner attractions. This is not about folks who like to ride Mark Twain. From a storytelling and design standpoint, the choices Disney is making are creatively indefensible.
TheRealSkull
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
And to your point, people won't realize what beauty we have lost until it is too late.
Bocabear
Well-Known Member
Oh! Ok..... well then....what do we have to discuss? LOL
Seriously if all you want to do is exclaim how wonderful everything is, and what an amazing job everyone is doing managing the parks, and everything is sunshine and lollipops, you should really be on the Disney owned website... It would give their staff writers a break.
Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
As long as I’m bloviating… I recently stayed at a Disney World resort for an extended period for the first time in over a decade. Here are a few things that struck me;
No room service except at the Floridian. For the rates Disney charges, that’s utterly unacceptable. Worse, the room service option is still on the in-room phones! Disney just doesn’t care.
No package delivery to resorts. Disney just doesn’t care.
No AP discounts on quick service. Disney just doesn’t care.
Terrible operations at the resorts. The personnel are great and try to do their best, but they are hampered at every turn by simply awful restrictions. Disney just doesn’t care.
A lack of live street performances. The parks feel nowhere near as alive as they once did. Disney just doesn’t care.
And on a slightly different note…
An embarrassing slate of awful and/ or ancient shows, particularly at the Studios. This used to be an area in which Disney excelled. Now… Disney just doesn’t care.
I suspect most of these complaints are old hat to regular guests. As a lobster who just plunged back into the pot after years away, however, the shortcomings were stark. I’ll be honest… I complain a lot on here, but I didn’t realize just how much things had changed for the worse.
No room service except at the Floridian. For the rates Disney charges, that’s utterly unacceptable. Worse, the room service option is still on the in-room phones! Disney just doesn’t care.
No package delivery to resorts. Disney just doesn’t care.
No AP discounts on quick service. Disney just doesn’t care.
Terrible operations at the resorts. The personnel are great and try to do their best, but they are hampered at every turn by simply awful restrictions. Disney just doesn’t care.
A lack of live street performances. The parks feel nowhere near as alive as they once did. Disney just doesn’t care.
And on a slightly different note…
An embarrassing slate of awful and/ or ancient shows, particularly at the Studios. This used to be an area in which Disney excelled. Now… Disney just doesn’t care.
I suspect most of these complaints are old hat to regular guests. As a lobster who just plunged back into the pot after years away, however, the shortcomings were stark. I’ll be honest… I complain a lot on here, but I didn’t realize just how much things had changed for the worse.