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[ChrisFL]

a lot of the theming is already present in the restaurant at MK, so they'd have to decide what to do there

 

[lazyboy97o]

The default position on claims of exclusivity deals should be that such claims are bunk. They’re like the claims that the Big Hat had to be at Disney’s Hollywood Studios due to copyright and an expired deals. Or all the unsourced claims of building codes requiring things. The purpose isn’t to provide actual information but a seemingly unreviewable defense of Disney’s actions.

Shanghai Disneyland demonstrated the rather uselessness of the exclusivity agreements and it was the big reason for the major set of exclusivity agreements around the three land expansion of Hong Kong Disneyland. By the time Disney actually does all of the work required for even a clone, a five year exclusivity deal is going to be close to over.

The relationship between Disney and the OLC Group got pretty rocky because was being cheap in their parks while demanding more of their licensee. OLC felt they were being made to financial Disney’s research and development. Things have been mended but would be hurt by a lot of after-the-fact cloning. That though isn’t due to exclusivity clauses. There’s also the component of Disney, while now spending more, still isn’t interested in spending in the same way.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

That said, I do think it’s clear that OLC has a preference for exclusivity and I’m sure they have used their influence as the owners of the resort to encourage Disney to allow them to maintain it. I mean, there’s gotta be a reason they have never cloned Pooh’s Honey Hunt and by now I doubt seriously it has to do with money considering that technology isn’t as cutting edge as it was when that ride opened.

re: the bolded...not sure if it's a factor in said reason, but I distinctly recall Eddie Sotto saying that the OLC funded (or at least helped fund) the R&D for Hunny Hunt, which they normally don't do.

nothing to do with money - in late '90s/early '00s currency, it cost $110 million to build, which they theoretically could still build a ride on the same scale for the inflation-adjusted equivalent of today...if not for their needlessly layered bureaucracy

 

[lazyboy97o]

re: the bolded...not sure if it's a factor in said reason, but I distinctly recall Eddie Sotto saying that the OLC funded (or at least helped fund) the R&D for Hunny Hunt, which they normally don't do.

nothing to do with money - in late '90s/early '00s currency, it cost $110 million to build, which they theoretically could still build a ride on the same scale for the (inflation-adjusted) equivalent of...if not for their needlessly layered bureaucracy

Pooh’s Hunny Hunt was the second attraction developed using the trackless technology even though it opened first. The technology was developed for Aquatopia. Disney didn’t clone the ride because it was the late-90s and the Magic Kingdom already had a smaller, cheaper ride in development. Disneyland would then follow with a true Pressler era special.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I don’t think there’s room in fantasyland for the TDL ride. Does anyone know different?

They have a massive field behind IASW which is accessible from b/w IASW and the tangled bathrooms and from the BatB village near the restrooms there.

a lot of the theming is already present in the restaurant at MK, so they'd have to decide what to do there

Why not both? Take a tour of the Beast’s castle then enjoy dinner there. I don’t think anyone would care after they had ridden the ride. It’s so good.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Heck… tear down the restaurant and “meet and greet”, find a way fit the ride there

 

[MisterPenguin]

the first step for the resort was cloning attractions to bring the American culture of theme parks to Japanese audiences. Once the resort had an established popularity and fan base the second step was to make the resort unique and become the best international park/resort the world- especially with DisneySea.

Tokyo's non-IP additions are noteworthy and unique.

But it just added a lot of Disney IP in their extended Fantasy land. Now, some of the mechanics are unique, but it is showing OLC bending back to Disney-ana.

Im sure if you wanted to find a source you can easily look it up online. I believe Sully would not like to engage with your comments on this platform so I wouldn’t bother. This is nothing against you as a user or anything but just pointing out the obvious

Several people have asked for that source so far. Does the poster in question have the three of us on /ignore?

 

[MisterPenguin]

The BatB ride in TDL is very underrated by park fans stateside. It doesn’t come across as well on video but the motion of the teacups helps you get through each scene. I had the pleasure of experiencing it in person two weeks ago. Absolutely my favorite ride at TDL it would make for a great addition to MK as the ride matches MK’s grand scale.
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You left out a picture of the boring room in which almost nothing happens!

(But aside from that one room, it does look very good over all.)

 

[Chi84]

Several people have asked for that source so far. Does the poster in question have the three of us on /ignore?

It would be unusual for a contact between private entities to be made “very public.” I assume the poster was referring to statements made in regard to the attraction.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

You left out a picture of the boring room in which almost nothing happens!

(But aside from that one room, it does look very good over all.)

Even this scene is fun because of the dancing ride vehicles. They shift around, more so than even on Ratatouille.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

Pooh’s Hunny Hunt was the second attraction developed using the trackless technology even though it opened first. The technology was developed for Aquatopia. Disney didn’t clone the ride because it was the late-90s and the Magic Kingdom already had a smaller, cheaper ride in development. Disneyland would then follow with a true Pressler era special.

true all that, but I also recall Sotto saying that he sold the OLC on it being based on an existing system (Aquatopia was, as you said, already in development), only to have to modify the system to make it work as a dry indoor ride:

We needed a unique ride for TDL, but were not allowed to develop a new ride system. I took the TDS "Aquatopia" system which was a guided outdoor bumper boat technology, and repurposed it as an indoor trackless dark ride. At least that was the pitch to our Japanese operator. Truth be told, by the time we were done it was a new ride system.

The problem was to create a new attraction without R&D. There was not much on the shelf at the time. Frankly, I hated using anything already done so we kind of cheated with the Aquatopia, but it was something in process and at the time. I thought we could just use the guts of the system, but it was guided by lasers that needed a clear line of sight to each car from a central location. You can't do that with physical dark ride sets in the way, so we had to rethink the guidance. Once you do that, the strategy unraveled into a new system. The show was funded and going by then and we were off to the races.

 

[mattpeto]

I don’t think there’s room in fantasyland for the TDL ride. Does anyone know different?

Fairytale Hall has to go. I want a ride back in that space.

Disneyland FL around the castle is leaps and bound better.

 

[Brer Panther]

Here's a thought: what if they replaced Enchanted Tales With Belle with that Beauty and the Beast animatronic show they pitched for Disneyland Paris in the 1990s?

 

[WorldExplorer]

I'm okay with that. Tokyo's Beauty and the Beast ride isn't that great.

Don't a lot of the modern Marvel movies have a lot of "meta" humor in them? If so, I feel like their success might be part of the reason why "meta" humor is EVERYWHERE now.

This is something that pleasantly surprised me about the new Country Bears show. I was expecting there to be meta humor and instead we got actual jokes.

I blame Shrek for originating the meta humor boom, but Marvel helps perpetuate it AND I blame it for the influx of punctuating serious moments with jokes.

 

[SamusAranX]

Here's a thought: what if they replaced Enchanted Tales With Belle with that Beauty and the Beast animatronic show they pitched for Disneyland Paris in the 1990s?

You had Bob at “replacement”

 

[The Leader of the Club]

You had Bob at “replacement”

Then lost him at “animatronic show.”
Try again with “sing-a-long film”

 

[Chi84]

Shanghai Disneyland demonstrated the rather uselessness of the exclusivity agreements and it was the big reason for the major set of exclusivity agreements around the three land expansion of Hong Kong Disneyland. By the time Disney actually does all of the work required for even a clone, a five year exclusivity deal is going to be close to over.

I’m not familiar with Shanghai but an attraction exclusivity agreement in favor of OLC that included the time it took Disney to build the attraction wouldn’t make sense and would be potentially worthless.

It seems the exclusivity time period would begin on the date the attraction opened. That would give OLC exclusive rights to the attraction for, say, 5 years from the date it opened.

Maybe I misunderstood your post?

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m not familiar with Shanghai but an attraction exclusivity agreement in favor of OLC that included the time it took Disney to build the attraction wouldn’t make sense and would be potentially worthless.

It seems the exclusivity time period would begin on the date the attraction opened. That would give OLC exclusive rights to the attraction for, say, 5 years from the date it opened.

Maybe I misunderstood your post?

You misunderstood.

Hong Kong Disneyland is the park that had the big exclusivity deal around its three land expansion. Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Point were globally exclusive and Toy Story Land was exclusive to Asia as it was also being developed for Walt Disney Studios Park. The land was announced as the first expansion to Shanghai Disneyland in November 2026 just a few days before the 5th anniversary of the opening of the land at Hong Kong Disneyland. Early site work had already been clearly visible at Shanghai Disneyland before the exclusivity ended. Pretty much from the beginning, Hong Kong Disneyland has lived in the shadow of Shanghai Disneyland which was feared to draw visitors away from the park. Disney spent years claiming they were no longer pursuing the park, gave Hong Kong these exclusive lands to help build it up after cutting back on its opening build out, and then immediately cloned one of the lands for Shanghai Disneyland.

It’s the time to develop a clone that eats into the exclusivity. Fans grossly underestimate the amount of design work required of an attraction, including a clone, while over exaggerating how far out Disney plans. A decision to clone an exclusive attraction isn’t going to come until after opening and it will then take several years to develop the clone, even ones like TRON or Ratatouille that are as near identical as possible. By the time a decision to clone is made, design work and construction are done, you’re looking at close to five years. You’re paying for exclusivity that you’d generally get as a default.

 

[Casper Gutman]

You misunderstood.

Hong Kong Disneyland is the park that had the big exclusivity deal around its three land expansion. Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Point were globally exclusive and Toy Story Land was exclusive to Asia as it was also being developed for Walt Disney Studios Park. The land was announced as the first expansion to Shanghai Disneyland in November 2026 just a few days before the 5th anniversary of the opening of the land at Hong Kong Disneyland. Early site work had already been clearly visible at Shanghai Disneyland before the exclusivity ended. Pretty much from the beginning, Hong Kong Disneyland has lived in the shadow of Shanghai Disneyland which was feared to draw visitors away from the park. Disney spent years claiming they were no longer pursuing the park, gave Hong Kong these exclusive lands to help build it up after cutting back on its opening build out, and then immediately cloned one of the lands for Shanghai Disneyland.

It’s the time to develop a clone that eats into the exclusivity. Fans grossly underestimate the amount of design work required of an attraction, including a clone, while over exaggerating how far out Disney plans. A decision to clone an exclusive attraction isn’t going to come until after opening and it will then take several years to develop the clone, even ones like TRON or Ratatouille that are as near identical as possible. By the time a decision to clone is made, design work and construction are done, you’re looking at close to five years. You’re paying for exclusivity that you’d generally get as a default.

Do we have any idea how long the exclusivity on Mystic lasts? Is it an “in perpetuity” situation?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Do we have any idea how long the exclusivity on Mystic lasts?

All three lands were just five years.