Casper Gutman
Well-Known Member
Also the utterly atrocious layout.It could also be the weak theming and awful aesthetics but sure lack of shade doesn't help.
Also the utterly atrocious layout.It could also be the weak theming and awful aesthetics but sure lack of shade doesn't help.
Is a M&G a "show"?Please don’t tell me they are turning the fine former MuppetVision theatre into a freakin’ meet n’ greet.
Disney's definition of "Attraction" has changed over the years. So who knows what they mean by "Show".Is a M&G a "show"?
Because Disney said it will be a new show.
I'm sure somebody is going to claim that the sing-along is too popular to remove, but somehow I doubt the Mickey Shorts Theater is more popular than MuppetVision was.Think they’ll ever do anything with the large building in the middle of the park that features embarrassing Frozen karaoke (the performers try) and a TV cartoon clip show? Talk about “underutilized space.”
Everything that attracts people is an attraction. Even walk-thru elements. So, a *show* will be called an attraction. A M&G spot like Princess Hall will be called an attraction.Disney's definition of "Attraction" has changed over the years. So who knows what they mean by "Show".
I have seen clickbait sites use very broad definitions of "attraction.".Disney's definition of "Attraction" has changed over the years. So who knows what they mean by "Show".
And I'd say that's why it feels dated. The show feels groundbreaking and absurdist for its day. I love Python, but there stuff certainly feels of a certain era. Muppets are a bit more modern, but the attraction felt very late 80's/early 90's. Being a child of that age, it certainly holds a lot of nostalgia for me, but I definitely felt the age of it when I took a friend on it a few years back.Huh. Hadn't thought of the Python/British humor connection. Now that you've said it I can definitely see it.
I agree, I’ve always used “attraction” as a catch all for anything to do or see in the park (that’s intentional). Then you break it down into rides (coasters, dark rides, trains and boats), shows (AA shows, stage shows), or entertainment (street performances, parades, fireworks). I guess walk throughs are their own singular category, hahaEverything that attracts people is an attraction. Even walk-thru elements. So, a *show* will be called an attraction. A M&G spot like Princess Hall will be called an attraction.
For this new Monstropolis land, there are two attractions: A coaster, and a new show.
The fact is, WDW has used the phrase "new show." Trying to equivocate "attraction" is completely irrelevant. Can you point to where a M&G has been called a *show*?
I suspect we’re quibbling over terminology rather than actually disagreeing with each other. “Dated” tends to have pejorative overtones, which may explain your resistance to the term. I think @BrianLo put it well by saying that the “material is timeless” even if it is clearly the product of a different age.I’d argue that, in almost any media, writing and presentation (mise en scene) is the only thing that can truly damage a work of art by being dated. Casablanca or Maltese Falcon feel more meaningfully up-to-date then any number of films from the 2010s.
Waldo was VERY early CGI, but he was designed and introduced into the story in such a way that the feeling of being “dated” was minimized. He’s very much of the Muppet world, a chaotic anachronism. If early CGI dates a film, the first Toy Story - and Monsters Inc - are more profoundly past their sell by them MV3D (all are still vibrant and relevant).
I understand your POV and under almost any other circumstance I would agree, but I actually think in the case of MV3D - Disney had a responsibility to preserve the show as a piece of irreplaceable art and history. And I'd even argue had the original attraction been built in Disneyland by Henson & crew, the company would agree with me. But because the executives running Walt Disney World for some reason have almost none of the same sense of preservation and legacy that Walt's original park has, they feel emboldened to continue to chip away at the edges of what makes those parks great. Not sure if you've had the chance to visit Disneyland, but you should stop by Great Moments with Mr Lincoln some time and count how many people you see seated on a regular basis. Yet there's a reason they're adding a rotating show to that theater and not replacing it.I understand the historical significance of it, but a theme park attraction should justify its own existence beyond historical value. I don't ride the Matterhorn because it's the first tubular steel coaster, I ride it because it is fun and well executed. I don't think Snow White's Enchanted Dream should be preserved as-is for all time since it was one of Kim Irvine's final projects before retiring. I loved TTBAB, but I wouldn't say it deserved to stay because it's the last project Kevin Spacey did with Disney parks.
Apples and oranges, I know. But Muppet Vision was dated. It was no longer pulling crowds nor drawing the same appreciation the attraction deserves. As people have shared here, many modern folks would see the show and shrug it off as a one and done.
If Disney is going to replace it with a show that draws better and garners more appreciation from guests, then I'm for that. It stinks that it will vanish from the earth, but that's a world I'm used to with live theatre. These magnificent pieces of art exist until they aren't pulling in the audiences required to offset the work/cost, then they vanish into the ether. 30+ years is a great run for a 3D film.
Everything that attracts people is an attraction.
Restrooms as well. I can't imagine a scenario where someone goes into one of those unintentionally.I agree, I’ve always used “attraction” as a catch all for anything to do or see in the park (that’s intentional).
Why would they want to do something else with the building as oppose to using it for a show in connection with its franchise which is one of the most successful in history. That sells merchandise like crazy, and is constantly filled up for every performance?Think they’ll ever do anything with the large building in the middle of the park that features embarrassing Frozen karaoke (the performers try) and a TV cartoon clip show? Talk about “underutilized space.”
Because the show is an embarrassment (I felt sorry for the excellent but stranded performers) and the theatre absolutely does not fill up?Why would they want to do something else with the building as oppose to using it for a show in connection with its franchise which is one of the most successful in history. That sells merchandise like crazy, and is constantly filled up for every performance?
I agree... It was meant as a bit of temporary filler and has somehow managed to stay... Almost as if Disney can't come up with any new show ideas.... So a cartoon clip show and a singalong become headliners....at a $179.00 admission price...Because the show is an embarrassment (I felt sorry for the excellent but stranded performers) and the theatre absolutely does not fill up?
It absolutely does.Because the show is an embarrassment (I felt sorry for the excellent but stranded performers) and the theatre absolutely does not fill up?
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