MK Villains Land Announced for Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom

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Touchdown

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The Villains ride can be Fantasmic the ride. Villain land was set up as a place where villains are placed to protect the Magic Kingdom residents (like Decendants) and the villains are determined to break in and capture the Magic Kingdom. To that end they have dug an underground river to infiltrate the MK and seize the castle. It’s up to Mickey and a band of heros to stop them and send them back to villain land. Imagine Jafar taking over the JC, Dr Faciller taking over Tiana, Hades iasw, and Malnificent trying to take over the castle.
 
DisDude33

DisDude33

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My point though is that everything has a limited repeat value. I for example love Haunted Mansion it’s definitely one of my favorites but I ride it mainly out of habit at this point. It’s just a few minutes of going through the motions that I feel obligated to do when in MK, and because of this I would expect if they got rid of it.
We don’t always have to like the new things because it would be impossible for that to be a reality but we do need to understand the need for newness in the parks, without it the park as a whole would stagnate and die which would be a horrible loss. If you find a new attraction is not to your liking then don’t go on it and hope enough people do the same and maybe it won’t take long for it to also get replaced and if you find that a majority of the things in the park aren’t for you then it’s probably time to let the parks go.
 
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DisneyHead123

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DisDude33 said:
Emotional reaction may not be the right term to use here.

My point though is that everything has a limited repeat value. I for example love Haunted Mansion it’s definitely one of my favorites but I ride it mainly out of habit at this point. It’s just a few minutes of going through the motions that I feel obligated to do when in MK, and because of this I would expect if they got rid of it.
We don’t always have to like the new things because it would be impossible for that to be a reality but we do need to understand the need for newness in the parks, without it the park as a whole would stagnate and die which would be a horrible loss. If you find a new attraction is not to your liking then don’t go on it and hope enough people do the same and maybe it won’t take long for it to also get replaced and if you find that a majority of the things in the park aren’t for you then it’s probably time to let the parks go.
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I think it’s a delicate balance for Disney as there are now (I’m assuming) a substantial group of people visiting the parks multiple times a year or even multiple times a month, but still a substantial number who visit every few years or annually at most.

For me replacing Haunted Mansion in the name of “newness” would be like replacing Halloween with a new disco themed holiday to keep life fresh. I love annual traditions - the beach in the summer, pumpkin patches in October, Christmas trees in December. The tradition makes them better, not boring. That said, I get that Halloween 5 or 6 or 20 times a year would get to be a lot.

I think Disney has so far started upping the novelty factor for frequent visitors with things like changing festivals, but I’ll be curious if we eventually see more within-ride variation, or rides that easily lend themselves to seasonal overlays. We’ve already seen a little of this with things like alternating songs on Guardians, and that seems to be a big hit.
 
DisDude33

DisDude33

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DisneyHead123 said:
I think it’s a delicate balance for Disney as there are now (I’m assuming) a substantial group of people visiting the parks multiple times a year or even multiple times a month, but still a substantial number who visit every few years or annually at most.

For me replacing Haunted Mansion in the name of “newness” would be like replacing Halloween with a new disco themed holiday to keep life fresh. I love annual traditions - the beach in the summer, pumpkin patches in October, Christmas trees in December. The tradition makes them better, not boring. That said, I get that Halloween 5 or 6 or 20 times a year would get to be a lot.

I think Disney has so far started upping the novelty factor for frequent visitors with things like changing festivals, but I’ll be curious if we eventually see more within-ride variation, or rides that easily lend themselves to seasonal overlays. We’ve already seen a little of this with things like alternating songs on Guardians, and that seems to be a big hit.
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You make some great points that I had not fully considered.

As someone that makes one or two trips a year my only counter points are that putting up holiday decorations generally don’t cost thousands of dollars and while most Easters are pretty similar they aren’t exactly the same every year, some are rather uneventful and other years your mom slaps her sister with a slice of ham for being rude.
 
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DisneyHead123

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DisDude33 said:
You make some great points that I had not fully considered.

As someone that makes one or two trips a year my only counter points are that putting up holiday decorations generally don’t cost thousands of dollars and while most Easters are pretty similar they aren’t exactly the same every year, some are rather uneventful and other years your mom slaps her sister with a slice of ham for being rude.
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😂 That awkward moment when mom is trying to decide if she wants to eat ham that’s been across someone’s face and still has a lip gloss imprint…
 
TheMaxRebo

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DisneyHead123 said:
I think it’s a delicate balance for Disney as there are now (I’m assuming) a substantial group of people visiting the parks multiple times a year or even multiple times a month, but still a substantial number who visit every few years or annually at most.

For me replacing Haunted Mansion in the name of “newness” would be like replacing Halloween with a new disco themed holiday to keep life fresh. I love annual traditions - the beach in the summer, pumpkin patches in October, Christmas trees in December. The tradition makes them better, not boring. That said, I get that Halloween 5 or 6 or 20 times a year would get to be a lot.

I think Disney has so far started upping the novelty factor for frequent visitors with things like changing festivals, but I’ll be curious if we eventually see more within-ride variation, or rides that easily lend themselves to seasonal overlays. We’ve already seen a little of this with things like alternating songs on Guardians, and that seems to be a big hit.
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I believe Disney views the average WDW guest as coming every 2-3 years so I think that is the main focus of "newness" vs tradition - so that group wants their photo by the Castle without the crane in the background and to ride the regular version of HM (not TNBC overlay) - but then also have enough new things to motivate them to take the trip (so one or two new big things a year usually sufficient) ... but then, like you said, they mix up the festivals or smaller things (Cool Kid Summer, etc) for the group that does come more often guests)
 
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DisneyHead123

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TheMaxRebo said:
I believe Disney views the average WDW guest as coming every 2-3 years so I think that is the main focus of "newness" vs tradition - so that group wants their photo by the Castle without the crane in the background and to ride the regular version of HM (not TNBC overlay) - but then also have enough new things to motivate them to take the trip (so one or two new big things a year usually sufficient) ... but then, like you said, they mix up the festivals or smaller things (Cool Kid Summer, etc) for the group that does come more often guests)
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Yes, and there’s the social media factor too I would imagine… new things give the internet something to talk about and probably drive a lot of free advertising.
 
Kamikaze

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BrianLo said:
To me it’s both. Sometimes on paper the needle doesn’t move in the same way the calculus does in person. Notoriously Disneyland picked up the majority of the DHS redo without much loss. But I feel like DHS is still an overall better park and doesn’t face the same seismic quality gap that I felt it had against Disneyland a decade ago. Still a wide gap, but I actually think DHS is relatively an enjoyable ‘ok’ park these days.

Meanwhile on paper USF shouldn’t really be as bad as I find it decade on decade. Or the atrophying of DCA.

Yes it would be nice if we had more straight additions when Disneyland resort seems to be able to uncover endless space, but I do think the net on all these projects are likely going to be more than assumed. Particularly in the case of MK.
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You can say what you want about it not being 'California' themed any more, but saying its 'atrophying' is factually incorrect. They've changed/updated more at DCA than any other park in the recent past. Closest would be DHS because of GE and TSL.
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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Kamikaze said:
You can say what you want about it not being 'California' themed any more, but saying its 'atrophying' is factually incorrect. They've changed/updated more at DCA than any other park in the recent past. Closest would be DHS because of GE and TSL.
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That was precisely my point. In spite of the stream of investment DCA and USF have received, they are often seen to be weaker products now decade on decade.

Of course I like DCA still and feel the next investment cycle is probably the strongest out of the domestic six.
 

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