MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[flynnibus]

I know that if Disney had been more responsible with their businesses, they might have had the money to build a fifth gate. Or perhaps they could have just expanded beyond the railroad as they had in DL for Galaxy’s Edge.

Again what does any of this have to do with floating deadwood? You’re missing the point… you’re saying spend money to avoid replacing what they want gone… and ignoring the permanent change of expanded ops. Stop dreaming and pretend it’s your money and think it through.

 

[flynnibus]

Mostly because they know they would have a riot on their hands if they tried to get rid of the river at Disneyland.

People said same thing about the fort…
People said the same thing before they cut the river
People decried the lack of show scene improvements along the river… and the PC changes

Yet all that went through and really no one missed a beat except in online fan drama

 

[flynnibus]

At Disneyland? Star Wars was basically all new land (yes, the petting zoo went away but that was a tiny part of the footprint). MMRR was new. The 2 additional Marvel rides are going on currently unused land. Coco appears to not be replacing any other attractions.

DLR sometimes replaces as well of course but the ratio of "addition" to "replacement" is much better than at WDW in the Iger era.

Every one of those is spots that had stuff removed. Just not necessarily directly 1:1. The entire company is on an expansion kick… so obviously the latest projects are a bit skewed… but the point is expansion is not the default… for the reasons fans love to ignore because they think like fans, not operators.

 

[flynnibus]

And it actually fit the theme of DCA.

The original idea did… not radiator springs or what was built. It was given a pass because it’s done so well… no one cares that Arizona isn’t really California…. Nor anything really about DCA’s vision.

 

[Dreamer19]

Again what does any of this have to do with floating deadwood? You’re missing the point… you’re saying spend money to avoid replacing what they want gone… and ignoring the permanent change of expanded ops. Stop dreaming and pretend it’s your money and think it through.

I’m arguing that all of a sudden they care about profits? How much money have their IPs lost? How about Disney Plus?

They followed a certain direction that ended up losing their company billions. They spent billions on a brand that couldn’t lose money and crashed it. OBJECTIVELY.

This isn’t to mention other brands.

I want to stay on topic, but the geniuses cut from the same cloth as the geniuses that lost those profits are now making a mess of the parks.

Lastly, it is my money. I’m a shareholder.

 

[flynnibus]

I’m arguing that all of a sudden they care about profits? How much money have their IPs lost? How about Disney Plus?

i imagine you’ve never managed a P&L in your life. Because once again you deflect to more stuff that has nothing to do with the decisions being discussed.

 

[doctornick]

Every one of those is spots that had stuff removed. Just not necessarily directly 1:1. The entire company is on an expansion kick… so obviously the latest projects are a bit skewed… but the point is expansion is not the default… for the reasons fans love to ignore because they think like fans, not operators.

None of those DLR spots lost any attraction that was "on stage" and guest supporting except the petting zoo. Who cares if they have to shuffle around backstage buildings or parking? That's for them to worry about, guests just care what attractions they have available. No reason that MMRR was simply an add for DL but had to result in just a ride replacement at WDW.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

None of those DLR spots lost any attraction that was "on stage" and guest supporting except the petting zoo. Who cares if they have to shuffle around backstage buildings or parking? That's for them to worry about, guests just care what attractions they have available. No reason that MMRR was simply an add for DL but had to result in just a ride replacement at WDW.

they removed an entire play area with slide and ball pit, trolley area, and now monsters ride and transportation

 

[Casper Gutman]

Here’s the core question - which parts of the resort are better then they were in 1995 (or as close to that date as possible in the case of AK).

EPCOT is much, much worse. That’s pretty clear.
Magic Kingdom is worse and is about to degrade even further.
Until this morning I’d say Studios had improved. As I write this, I’d argue that overall it’s slightly worse.
AK has improved considerably and I think the current changes will improve it even more.
Downtown Disney is much worse, a lifestyle center that might be found in any major city with every shred of uniqueness ripped out.

As a whole, the resort has benefitted tremendously from the addition of AK, a wonderful park. However, this very considerable improvement has been more than offset by the collapse of service, the grotesque reservation systems, the deterioration caused by dining plans and DVC, the rash of detheming, and the mad explosion in prices.

It is, frankly, a miserable record.

It is also, I should note, a record unique to Florida. I’d argue both California parks, both Paris parks, and both Tokyo parks have improved substantially in that same time frame.

 

[flynnibus]

None of those DLR spots lost any attraction that was "on stage" and guest supporting except the petting zoo. Who cares if they have to shuffle around backstage buildings or parking? That's for them to worry about, guests just care what attractions they have available. No reason that MMRR was simply an add for DL but had to result in just a ride replacement at WDW.

The bbq… the ranch…
The red trolly… bountiful farrms… bugsland…
Mmrr replaced retail space
Coco will undoubtedly impact the park’s parade ability and lead to replacing that entertainment option

Mmrr wasn’t just an add-on but the anchor of toontown’s reworking after ages of thinning out

 

[mlayton144]

DL saves on fireworks.

Also, WDW upcharges guests thru their many 'luxe' hotels wherein most of the upcharge is due to proximity to MK (even tho the rooms ain't that luxe.)

MK is just a piece of the larger WDW pie. The other three theme parks and all the other entertainment synergizes with MK.

Who'd go to DAK if DAK was just a single theme park out in the world by itself with no other 'linked' theme parks nearby to hit up in one trip? (Yes, some would, but, it would definitely not be as popular).

DAK is profitable because it's part of the WDW network. And MK, with less rides than DL profits from anchoring that network.

When you look at just *rides*, the four WDW parks have as many as DL/DCA. So, to hit all the rides, you are enticed to stay longer and spend more. Especially in a Disney hotel. While WDW tickets are cheaper the more days you by, the hotels are the same rate each day (mostly). Then on top of having the same number of rides (albeit spread out more), WDW has a lot more non-ride attractions.

Comparing DL to just MK is a false comparison. Each has their own network of supporting cast. And WDW has a lot more supporting cast, which make MK as profitable over all as part of that network.

People forget that when they focus on MK 'expanding.' Every time a new ride/attraction is added or refreshed at DAK, EPCOT, or DHS... that's an expansion to MK, too.

This - let’s be honest people goto WDW to vacation. There is already enough to keep people busy and happy for a whole week, hence the plussing of attractions rather then large expansions or a new park. The majority of DLR is likely locals who spend a day or 2 there. Need a reason to keep them coming back, because it certainly isn’t the motels on Harbor.

Not to mention I’ve heard Disneyland park would never be able to build the same density with today’s codes and regulations.

 

[Ayla]

Here's the link to the DLR forum, if you'd like to continue discussing Disneyland. https://forums.wdwmagic.com/forums/disneyland-resort.13/

This thread is about WDW.

 

[vikescaper]

With the Cars expansion, I am only really sad that we are losing Rivers of America as I don’t have firm attachment to Tom Sawyer Island or the river boat. I can probably count on one hand the times I have been to Tom Sawyer Island but I understand why people are upset about their removal. I do wish that Disney would consider expanding the park boundaries but we have all been down this road before.

 

[solidyne]

This is the Cars thread.

 

[celluloid]

How does space miles away help the MK footprint?

Every sq ft of park you add runs up your daily opex… you don’t do that without serious consideration and usually new monetization

False dichotomy. While opex is important to keep in mind, if they are not going to build new parks, you add attractions to take more time to see everything, thus increasing ancillary spend.

Using the logic stated why would they have ever have added things over the years to expand park offerings?
But when you are post neglect and needing to move fast...

 

[Casper Gutman]

Just as you hate the word "problematic", I hate the word "agenda". Those who use it do so only when it serves their narrative, ignoring the many instances that undermine their framing.

What an agenda - they always depict the Empire as BAD GUYS! Why can’t they just not bring politics into this!

 

[Chi84]

Captain America, Snow White, Thunderbolts, Strange World, Wish, etc. all flops

Thread 'Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs'

Jun 19, 2023

I figured we could create a thread to discuss all things Disney, and their box office performance, instead of littering the various threads.


Disney has had success in the last couple of years (No Way Home, Dr. Strange, Avatar, etc.), and pretty big box office blunders (Lightyear, Strange World, and now Elemental. Of course, The Little Mermaid is doing great domestically and failing internationally, etc.)

So the question is, what happens now? What should Disney be doing to turn the tide, and start taking the box office by storm again? Is this just a blip, that happens every few years, or...

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[LittleBuford]

Thread 'Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs'

Jun 19, 2023

I figured we could create a thread to discuss all things Disney, and their box office performance, instead of littering the various threads.


Disney has had success in the last couple of years (No Way Home, Dr. Strange, Avatar, etc.), and pretty big box office blunders (Lightyear, Strange World, and now Elemental. Of course, The Little Mermaid is doing great domestically and failing internationally, etc.)

So the question is, what happens now? What should Disney be doing to turn the tide, and start taking the box office by storm again? Is this just a blip, that happens every few years, or...

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[RS Carlson]

I agree, Cars should have its own, segmented land in Magic Kingdom. Or is it possible to replace the current anaemic Tomorrow Land Speedway with it's horrible exhaust fumes and cars that don't steer with a Cars Radiator Springs themed ride??

 

[easyrowrdw]

With the Cars expansion, I am only really sad that we are losing Rivers of America as I don’t have firm attachment to Tom Sawyer Island or the river boat. I can probably count on one hand the times I have been to Tom Sawyer Island but I understand why people are upset about their removal. I do wish that Disney would consider expanding the park boundaries but we have all been down this road before.

Yup. Cars is a replacement, not an expansion.