CoastalElite64
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I would like if they did something like Stardust Racers with two coasters in one. Have one be extreme and one less intense.
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News Coco Boat Ride Coming to Disney California Adventure
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I would like if they did something like Stardust Racers with two coasters in one. Have one be extreme and one less intense.
britain
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I like how smaller scale, and non-spectacular the Coco entrance appears to be. (Though it makes the Incredicoaster even more of an Six Flagsy eyesore.)
Definitely indicates that we won't start off in the world of the dead right away.
Can I also say how much I love long queues that take you (Indy style) to further-tucked-away ride buildings?
Definitely indicates that we won't start off in the world of the dead right away.
Can I also say how much I love long queues that take you (Indy style) to further-tucked-away ride buildings?
Using a “wooden” rollercoaster that you can see through as a berm is the most DCA 1.0 thing ever. Clearly Grizzly Peak and the Grand Californian got all the budget. I wonder what percentage compared to the rest of the park.
DLR92
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It definitely is. So is makeover of Pixar Pier.
If only if Disney just gave a more budget to the park initially. DCA wouldn’t struggle hard in the beginning.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
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The coaster is awesome (NOT its theming), and it's one of the longest in the country. I expect it to stay until it physically can't anymore.
Disney Analyst
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Incredicoaster is one of my favourite coasters that I've ridden. It’s super fun, and long!
TheCoasterNerd
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Plus it's not really feasable to run WoC without them there and they're not gonna get rid of their world-famous nighttime spectacular. And yeah, it's the 6th (soon 7th with FF) longest steel coaster on earth
britain
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I love the coaster, and hate the queue. Even with the cool Incredibles artwork, every square foot back there screams “we don’t care that you can see all this backstage stuff.”
Architectural Guinea Pig
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- In the Parks
- No
and the singular place with the best nighttime lighting in any Disney park ever. period. <3
Mr. Sullivan
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I really don't enjoy Incredicoaster (I think it's a long, forceless bore; the worst coaster Disney has in the states for me), but even I would defend it staying to the death. It serves an important purpose in DCA and while I hate riding it, I do greatly enjoy what it contributes to the scenery of the park. For all the faults of the pier, it's the iconic view of DCA and I don't think that bettering the park requires changing that.
BrianLo
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I’ve always felt Disneyland expansion is more imminent in our lifetime. It’s a lot easier for them to bridge the secondary entrance gap and operationally I think they really would love a secondary portal for Fantasmic to dump out of. They don’t really need to utilize a large part of the expansion pad to still get a second entrance without it seeming to be a empty walkway.
As you mentioned, there is also generalized IP priority for the company. Encanto, Frozen, Moana. The question becomes whether they want that or Tomorrowland first.
If they really were cooking they could have an end of night bypass exit towards the parking garage.
DrStarlander
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There's been a lot of questioning about how the location of the Coco ride entrance affects a possible bridge to the Simba lot. Also, a lot of fans not only want a Coco dark ride, but they want a full Mexican village -- Santa Cecilia, in the movie (food, retail, vibes!).
The obvious place to have the village is Paradise Gardens as the buildings are all there -- they could be thematically reskinned as is happening in Dino Land at Disney Animal Kingdom.
But the issue with that is where does the walkway to Simba go...between the entrance to the Coco ride and the village? That's suboptimal.
I think there's a great opportunity to replicate the success of the bridge in front of Pirates of the Caribbean to deal with this new tricky traffic situation. Paradise Garden would become Santa Cecilia and over on the south end would be the graveyard, and from there, a bridge (marigold?) would go over to an outdoor, then indoor, queue for the attraction.
Meanwhile, foot-traffic to Simba would dip and pass beneath the bridge before heading off that way.
Here's an overhead, and before and after look, at the Pirate's bridge, a great piece of traffic-weaving Disney can use again:
The obvious place to have the village is Paradise Gardens as the buildings are all there -- they could be thematically reskinned as is happening in Dino Land at Disney Animal Kingdom.
But the issue with that is where does the walkway to Simba go...between the entrance to the Coco ride and the village? That's suboptimal.
I think there's a great opportunity to replicate the success of the bridge in front of Pirates of the Caribbean to deal with this new tricky traffic situation. Paradise Garden would become Santa Cecilia and over on the south end would be the graveyard, and from there, a bridge (marigold?) would go over to an outdoor, then indoor, queue for the attraction.
Meanwhile, foot-traffic to Simba would dip and pass beneath the bridge before heading off that way.
Here's an overhead, and before and after look, at the Pirate's bridge, a great piece of traffic-weaving Disney can use again:
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jmuboy
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I am really excited that DCA is getting 4 new rides over the next 5-6 years. And I am so happy that this Coco traditional Disney boat ride is one of them. I also love the traditional Mexican / California Mission feel of the queue marquee entrance. But I do find it curious that all they are supposedly giving us park side is a heavily themed ride entrance portal in an incredibly tiny footprint. Something tells me in the next 3-4 years, as the ride is built and opened, that we will learn more about the paradise park area. There is a huge outdoor seating area. Two food facilities. A bandshell. And these dining locations in particular are probably 2 of the most underutilized in the tire park and perfect for a repositioning to better serve the growing DCA attendance.
Just seems to me that this area is ripe for a reskin / retheme to match the Coco / California Mission / Mexican culture vibe that would be ideal for a CA themed park.
I too am curious about the parade gates, even outside of parade the Viva Navidad and Lunar New year events reply heavily on those gates to bring in the smaller cavalcade units and performers. Very interested to see how these important park events are repositioned during and after construction.
All that said – The Simba lot expansion is a LONG way off. With all the new rides going into DCA I bet it will be 2040 or 2045 before that area is ever serious looked at for expansion. So, while the Paradise Park (in its current theme or a retheme) is likely to last another decade or so it is still the likely location for demolition when Disney is FINALLY ready to expand DCA to the Simba lot. In the meantime, I think they will simply make modest investments in the existing dining facilities to keep them on theme and operational.
Just seems to me that this area is ripe for a reskin / retheme to match the Coco / California Mission / Mexican culture vibe that would be ideal for a CA themed park.
I too am curious about the parade gates, even outside of parade the Viva Navidad and Lunar New year events reply heavily on those gates to bring in the smaller cavalcade units and performers. Very interested to see how these important park events are repositioned during and after construction.
All that said – The Simba lot expansion is a LONG way off. With all the new rides going into DCA I bet it will be 2040 or 2045 before that area is ever serious looked at for expansion. So, while the Paradise Park (in its current theme or a retheme) is likely to last another decade or so it is still the likely location for demolition when Disney is FINALLY ready to expand DCA to the Simba lot. In the meantime, I think they will simply make modest investments in the existing dining facilities to keep them on theme and operational.
DrStarlander
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I totally agree that Paradise Gardens is an absolutely perfect opportunity to give thematic richness to this somewhat generic food-centric location and give DCA its own New Orleans Square, so to speak, in terms of a culturally rich thematic land with great vibes.
I do think they need to think through the traffic implications (e.g., route to Simba) now and not kick the can and hope to solve it later. I posted a layout above that turns Paradise Gardens into the village of Santa Cecilia and uses a Pirates of the Caribbean-like marigold bridge and main-walkway-underpass to weave through-trafffic to Simba with queue traffic to the Coco dark ride.
Here's a second take below in which the highs/lows are flipped, so the queue traffic goes under the walkway to Simba. For example, enter a mausoleum in the cemetery and slope down and under. This allows the walkway-to-Simba path to elevate and clear the Coco queue traffic and the perimeter service road.
But this layout also preserves the parade storage building and an unobstructed route to bring the floats out onto DCA's main walkway.
The point of all this is:
1. Paradise Gardens absolutely could be Santa Cecilia, and be connected to the dark ride behind Incredicoaster. Disney has used elevation changes for traffic-weaving before.
2. The parade functions can be retained.
I agree. In my mind after all this DCA stuff it’s Frozen, BatB, Tangled, Encanto, Moana etc. All of that is most likely going to in DL. With that said I could see a sort of adventure based Fantasy Springs at DCA. Maybe like Encanto, Moana and Aladdin. Or maybe some like South American version of Fantasy Springs with Encanto, Up, some nods to three Caballeros. It could be a nice transition into the Simba lot from Coco. I always want to say Tomorrowland is next but I think at this point it might just the can that gets kicked down the road in perpetuity until there is some huge blockbuster that warrants a TL update. I don’t think Gino Fantastic 4 will be it. Considering TL serves its purpose I see them wanting to get some of the non existent blockbuster IP in there first. Now maybe if somebody like Staggs was there it would be different but this is how I see playing out now.
Man, a night bypass to the garage would be amazing but would they ever let you skip out on Main Street? Unless they build a World of Disney or Emporium on this bypass hahah.
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MK-fan
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Don’t turn Disney into Seaworld…..
Disney Analyst
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My real question is… where does the Italian food go?
DrStarlander
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Wine Country Trattoria?
Or with a whole Mexican village at Paradise Gardens, how about: