Professortango1
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Disney is the King of announcing things well before they should. Its like they want to milk every ounce of traction they can out of a project before opening.
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News Avatar Experience coming to Disneyland Resort
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Disney Irish
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Sorry I'm not buying this "only half of the land will be used" idea. I understand what the announcement says, but I fully expect them to use the entire land that doesn't include Phil's and the Hyperion.
mickEblu
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Oh no, not you too! Hollywoodland consists of Hollywood Blvd, the backlot, sunset blvd and the Hyperion. I know you re going to say you know this but I can’t understand why all the vloggers, you and apparently maybe even Disney are conflating the backlot with the entire land.
Is it me? Maybe it’s me.
CoastalElite64
Active Member
I can't imagine them not building an Avatar themed restaurant.
Yes, take out hyperion for cosmic rewind. Either with current theming or maybe "fantastic four" cosmic rewind. That would be a good final attraction to finish avengers campus. Then maybe the DCA expansion could maybe have an xmen attraction or two.
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Disney Irish
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I think you're being hyper fixated on the semantics here, as most people just lump it all together. But ok, I'll go along with it just to make you happy and be super specific. My point was that I still believe its taking over the entire "Backlot", and will leave the rest of the "Land" alone. Just like we've discussed for the last 2 years or so. I don't believe they will only use part of the "Backlot". I even suspect it'll bleed out into the "Land" a bit just to make the transition smoother, again like we've discussed for the last 2 years.
So nothing in this announcement leads me to think its anything different than we already discussed, this is just confirmation of that.
mickEblu
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It’s just a head scratcher because you re not the only one. And I’m talking people who spend a lot of time talking Disney parks. I think people really view the backlot subconsciously as its own land. Because in actuality not many lands have separate districts with their own names. I agree with you the entire backlot will be used except for probably the Philharmagic. Which brings me back to my original point. You and I think this and I believe we are correct but Disneys comment doesn’t reflect this. Why? Because I think some intern slipped up like the vloggers and yourself and referred to the backlot as if it’s the whole land. So essentially I’m telling you why you don’t believe what Disney said.
Otherwise what’s the point of saying Monsters Inc is gone but we’re only using part of the “backlot?” To leave people in suspense about the Sunset Theatre and the ugly make shift stage?
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
The problem is that I don't think people view Hollywood Blvd and Sunset Blvd as part of the "Land" but rather just a thoroughfare or pathway to get into the "Land". Why do I feel like we've had this discussion before.
Anyways when all said and done and Avatar is here, I wouldn't be surprised if HWL itself just gets tacked as an extension of BVS, again like we've discussed before.
mickEblu
Well-Known Member
You mean like I originally pitched?
But really this whole Avatar project is an exercise in manifestation for me. 
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- No
You start out accusing him of hyper fixating on semantics and then try to argue that the literal text from the Disney Blog "we’re looking forward to transforming a portion of the current Hollywood Backlot area" doesn't mean it's taking over the entire "backlot", just not the entire "land".....basically arguing semantics.
You're not arguing in good faith here.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Not at all what I’m doing, and I am arguing in good faith. I wish people would stop saying that when they disagree with what someone posts.
What I’m saying is that I believe the blog post is wrong and that they do intend to take over the entire backlot. As @mickEblu said and I agree it’s likely an intern saying “Backlot” when they mean “Land”.
It will be interesting to see what this project unfolds into. I think the main strip with the Hyperion and Animation Academy is safe, but everything on the north side of the street is up for redesign.
I also don’t think the new concept implies a much more scaled down project than originally proposed like some have said. I’m sure it won’t be quite as grand as the original concept art proposed, but with expanding into the area that the eastern gateway opens up, it still looks to be a good amount of acreage, no? Can anyone weigh in with the estimated land area if avatar encroaches northward?
Breaking it down it looks to me like the new concept art is showing a closer look at roughly the area I drew a red circle on. We can still see an outdoor portion of a boat ride with three different paths leading to other parts of the area like in the original proposed. The grand facade in the back does look to be scaled down a little bit.
Hopefully they give this the time money and energy DCA deserves, but out of the three expansions coming this one is definitely the one on the most shaky ground.
I also don’t think the new concept implies a much more scaled down project than originally proposed like some have said. I’m sure it won’t be quite as grand as the original concept art proposed, but with expanding into the area that the eastern gateway opens up, it still looks to be a good amount of acreage, no? Can anyone weigh in with the estimated land area if avatar encroaches northward?
Breaking it down it looks to me like the new concept art is showing a closer look at roughly the area I drew a red circle on. We can still see an outdoor portion of a boat ride with three different paths leading to other parts of the area like in the original proposed. The grand facade in the back does look to be scaled down a little bit.
Hopefully they give this the time money and energy DCA deserves, but out of the three expansions coming this one is definitely the one on the most shaky ground.
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mickEblu
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You re not arguing in bad faith. You just take the long scenic route to say “you re right mickEblu.” lol
chadwpalm
Well-Known Member
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- No
And I wish people would stop blaming interns for everything that doesn't fit their "belief" or narrative, which is what everything you are saying is.......opinion and your own belief.
So if it is all the same to you, I'll for now trust what I see from Disney in a blog post over your "beliefs".
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Funny, I think we’ve both come out on top in correct predictions on these new projects for DCA and I’ll even lump in the EGW. It was bound to happen that we both line up our predictions and they end up right.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I never said you couldn’t believe the Blog post at face value, be my guest. I mean it’s your prerogative if you wanna be wrong.And I wish people would stop blaming interns for everything that doesn't fit their "belief" or narrative, which is what everything you are saying is.......opinion and your own belief.
So if it is all the same to you, I'll for now trust what I see from Disney in a blog post over your "beliefs".
Anyways if we do take it at face value then that means the entire project has be gutted and we’re not getting the large fanciful land with huge boat ride and sweeping vistas of Pandora that the we’ve been sold. So I guess we expect a budget cut 30 second boat ride and a small display of the “wonder” of Pandora. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
Too Many Hats
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Bickering aside…
Does this suggest the Avatar “experience” will be less of an E-ticket than we previously thought? Or is there more available land in/behind the Backlot than I’m comprehending?
Does this suggest the Avatar “experience” will be less of an E-ticket than we previously thought? Or is there more available land in/behind the Backlot than I’m comprehending?
britain
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It's possible that during the first year of construction, Monsters is the only thing being torn down (and probably the two adjacent buildings) but they'll leave the whole backlot courtyard area open. Then maybe about the last year of construction, they shut down the entire backlot area.
So it could be that 'portion' comment is alluding to that phased construction, not the end result.
britain
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I'm thinking more impressive E-ticket, slightly less impressive area.
Mr. Sullivan
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I can’t believe that I of all people am OK with this, but I’m seeing people online who are fighting tooth and nail about a dark ride they never spoke of until yesterday.