Long live the Eastern Gateway or how I learned to love the Anaheim City Council after the election.

[Agent H]

What the red do?

Why the yellow a dead end. Is it a trap?

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[Disney Irish]

What the red do?

Why the yellow a dead end. Is it a trap?

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The red is the ramp up and down access to the bridge.

The yellow is the existing drop off and won't end if its like the original plan, here is what it looks like now -

 

[britain]

What the red do?

Why the yellow a dead end. Is it a trap?

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Red is for parking garage guests who want to get to Harbor without walking all the way to the center of the esplanade just to walk back to Harbor.

I maintain you only need one elevator/stair tower to accomplish this as long as you keep the crosswalk. But if you get rid of the crosswalk you'll need another way down from the ramp on the east side of Harbor.

 

[britain]

"This pedestrian bridge will also provide convenient public access to and from Harbor Boulevard."

I believe the phrasing of this sentence emphasizes access to and from the street, not providing public access across the street.

 

[Disney Irish]

"This pedestrian bridge will also provide convenient public access to and from Harbor Boulevard."

I believe the phrasing of this sentence emphasizes access to and from the street, not providing public access across the street.

That makes a huge assumption though of them meaning access to only one side of the physical street rather than to and from pedestrian traffic which is the way it traditionally would be read.

 

[britain]

That makes a huge assumption though of them meaning access to only one side of the physical street

Which is no big deal if the crosswalk remains.

 

[britain]

I will say this, I think they've set it up this way to have some negotiating wiggle room. If the City of Anaheim says, "No, no, no, we REALLY want to get rid of this crosswalk," then Disney can find a way to get people down on the east side of the bridge.

But if the city simply says, "Splendid, thank you for making it possible for the Harbor businesses to retain foot traffic," then Disney can proceed with only one tower on one side.

 

[Disney Irish]

Which is no big deal if the crosswalk remains.

Again I come back to the point of it's the City of Anaheim is the one the wants the crosswalk gone not Disney in order to improve the traffic flow along Harbor. I don't see them dropping that from this plan as that would defeat one of the main purposes of this project.

 

[britain]

Again I come back to the point of it's the City of Anaheim is the one the wants the crosswalk gone not Disney in order to improve the traffic flow along Harbor. I don't see them dropping that from this plan as that would defeat one of the main purposes of this project.

Right, they may indeed press them on that point. But I think Disney would prefer to do one tower, keep the crosswalk, and call it a day. The way this concept art was framed makes either option possible.

 

[truecoat]

But, that could also simply be "Leaving" vs. "Entering" pathways.

But then why build an elevator to a leaving pathway?

The elevator/ramp only makes sense if there’s another on the other side.

 

[Disney Irish]

Right, they may indeed press them on that point.

I don't think its about "pressing them" as I think its already been incorporated into this plan as it was always part of the plan.

Anything else doesn't make sense, as if you've been following along with this project since day one its been the ONE main thing that the City has said MUST be part of the project. So why drop it now, its not like car traffic suddenly got better by this plan and now the crosswalk doesn't need to go.

Oh, and one of the other reasons why the crosswalk being removed was important to the City, pedestrian safety. They don't want pedestrians crossing anymore in order to prevent accidents, which happen every year. So they suddenly don't care about pedestrian safety? Again doesn't make sense, so no I think the crosswalk is still gone and there is a way to enter/exit the bridge from the eastern side.

 

[mickEblu]

Why? What's the purpose of going on the bridge when you can just walk at street level? And why would someone go through security only to exit to street level from the bridge?

Safety. You get to avoid some crazy drivers on Harbor.

 

[britain]

I don't think its about "pressing them" as I think its already been incorporated into this plan as it was always part of the plan.

Anything else doesn't make sense, as if you've been following along with this project since day one its been the ONE main thing that the City has said MUST be part of the project. So why drop it now, its not like car traffic suddenly got better by this plan and now the crosswalk doesn't need to go.

Oh, and one of the other reasons why the crosswalk being removed was important to the City, pedestrian safety. They don't want pedestrians crossing anymore in order to prevent accidents, which happen every year. So they suddenly don't care about pedestrian safety? Again doesn't make sense, so no I think the crosswalk is still gone and there is a way to enter/exit the bridge from the eastern side.

You may very well be right. It will be interesting to find out. While the city may want to be rid of it, I do think IHOP would be happier to keep the crosswalk.

 

[Disney Irish]

Safety. You get to avoid some crazy drivers on Harbor.

Yes but according to @britain's plan the crosswalk stays, so that doesn't eliminate that safety issue. Which is why I don't buy into this idea that the crosswalk is suddenly staying, as its always been part of this plan to remove it.

 

[Disney Irish]

You may very well be right. It will be interesting to find out. While the city may want to be rid of it, I do think IHOP would be happier to keep the crosswalk.

Which was one of the push backs from the Harbor businesses to begin with back in 2016, and why the adjustments to the plan to make the bridge accessible to the public via ramps and such. Otherwise if the crosswalk stays then you don't need public access to the bridge and Disney can move forward with their original plan of having an enclosed security bubble. All you'd need is some public access to the backside, as was originally purposed to try to workaround the push back by punching through the backside of each of the businesses to give access to the walkway to the bridge, again basically negating the whole need to make a ramp.

So yeah it makes more sense given the history of the project for the crosswalk to go.

 

[DLR92]

I prefer this new revision, if the city want to remove the crosswalk. They should pitch in and build a separate pedestrian bridge. Like how Las Vegas provided numerous of pedestrians bridges through out the strip.

 

[Disney Irish]

I prefer this new revision, if the city want to remove the crosswalk. They should pitch in and build a separate pedestrian bridge. Like how Las Vegas should numerous of pedestrians bridges through out the strip.

Its actually in the Resort Plan to have several pedestrian bridges across Harbor (and around the rest of the resort). This was even discussed during the planning meetings last year when the DisneylandForward project was being discussed by the City.

 

[mickEblu]

Yes but according to @britain's plan the crosswalk stays, so that doesn't eliminate that safety issue. Which is why I don't buy into this idea that the crosswalk is suddenly staying, as its always been part of this plan to remove it.

I thought truecoat was asking why anyone would want to go up the bridge and back down of the crosswalk if the street exists.

 

[Disney Irish]

I thought truecoat was asking why anyone would want to go up the bridge and back down of the crosswalk on the street exists.

The reason for asking is because @britain thought was they would keep the crosswalk, which eliminates the need to use the bridge in the first place.

 

[CaptinEO]

We have Eastern Gateway and the Monsters Inc Door Coaster, this is like 2012 all over again!