MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[MisterPenguin]

And block that fireworks view they charge $$$$$ for? Not a chance in hell.

It can still be monetized for that, and the upper balcony an upcharge!

 

[Ayla]

Tell Eddie that someone at Disney's presentation of this that this sign was made for the kiddos. It seems to emphasize the 'fun area' and not the ride that they may not be tall enough to ride.

Because kids are big consumers of concept art and media presentations?

 

[Casper Gutman]

Yes, Dancing with Wolves is a western. Is Fern Gully a Western?

Lone hero, disgruntled with civilization, travels to distant frontier mining outpost where he bonds with noble natives and helps them push back against encroaching machinery, in the process finding his true self.

 

[Tha Realest]

You didn’t answer - is Dancing With Wolves a western? What are the key themes of Avatar?

Yes, certain broad story tropes show up across cultures. In America, those tropes have been shaped, filtered, and defined by the frontier myth. This is one of the reasons samurai films translate so well to a western setting and vice versa.

If we’re tossing any genre that doesn’t resonate anymore… well, the pirate film is dead, so better dump that. Indy bombed and no one is making jungle adventure films, so let’s chuck Adventureland in the trash. Snow White just embarrassed everyone at the box office, so the Mine Train needs to go. Buck Rogers sci-fi isn’t big, so level Tomorrowland. Not a lot of folks care about classic Hollywood or Tower of Terror, so…

The Mandalorian is functionally a western.

 

[JD80]

He seems to have forgotten that Dances with Wolves was 35 years ago.

It doesn't really matter, the Cowboys and Indians genre of western entertainment is not popular anymore because we, as a society, don't find it acceptable to glorify the exploitation and killing of the indigenous people.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Tell Eddie that someone at Disney's presentation of this that this sign was made for the kiddos. It seems to emphasize the 'fun area' and not the ride that they may not be tall enough to ride.

Huh? This is showing the whole area and doesn’t at all emphasize a smaller area or any particular elements. If anything, today suggests that the second, younger skewing attraction is being eyeballed to keep costs in line.

 

[Ayla]

It will feel cramped because, rather than being bordered by a wide expanse of water and open sky, it will be bordered by trees and rockwork. This will make it FEEL more cramped.

Seeing a tall wall doesn't exactly scream open sky or wide open spaces.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Seeing a tall wall doesn't exactly scream open sky or wide open spaces.

But rockwork!

 

[Ayla]

Disney PR read the room when this first came out. This is, along with the detailed descriptions of how WDI is ensuring minimal disruption to the rest of the themed area is the heavy hand of marketing trying to build good will for the project.

Who knows what the final product will look like, but to say everything is going to be great based on a single press release is just silly. EddieHe knows that.

He, along with everyone else, also knows how their latest WDI 'creation' turned out.

 

[Ayla]

But rockwork!

 

[MisterPenguin]

The Mandalorian is functionally a western.

If you consider the Mandalorians the "Indians" in the story, yeah, since they're the ones the government is pushing out of their home.

I know they exist, but what percentage of Westerns are told from the Indians' point of view?

 

[JD80]

Lone hero, disgruntled with civilization, travels to distant frontier mining outpost where he bonds with noble natives and helps them push back against encroaching machinery, in the process finding his true self.

The Lord of the Rings trilogy is a western! Maybe The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe is one too.

 

[Casper Gutman]

It doesn't really matter, the Cowboys and Indians genre of western entertainment is not popular anymore because we, as a society, don't find it acceptable to glorify the exploitation and killing of the indigenous people.

Your understanding of the western myth is infantile. Are you familiar with the term “revisionist western?”

To echo a poster above - I don’t care for him, but Taylor Sheridan is one of the most successful and influential media creators in the country right now.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Huh? This is showing the whole area and doesn’t at all emphasize a smaller area or any particular elements. If anything, today suggests that the second, younger skewing attraction is being eyeballed to keep costs in line.

Which was my point. It's highlighting the "play area" which isn't terminology I would use for a kiddie ride.

 

[Casper Gutman]

He seems to have forgotten that Dances with Wolves was 35 years ago.

You don’t seem to be following the conversation.

 

[James Alucobond]

This is unfair. I never expected the project to be cancelled or significantly altered in response to fan complaints, yet I cannot deny the differences between the two pieces of concept art. One of these differences, as I noted in my earlier reply to you, includes the joining of the waterfall to the riverfront, which is not what the earlier concept art showed or even suggested. Again, how much faith should be put into the new design is another question, but I can’t understand why you keep denying that it is, in certain respects, different from what they previously publicised.

The art is different because it emphasizes other things and isn't shown with more realistic elevations and show buildings that obscure the waterways. People did in fact suggest that the waterways would work like that based on the original artwork. Because it's easiest to search my own posts, here's one where I said exactly that from August 13th.

The concept art at least makes it look like there will be a stream that flows down from Piston Peak and winds around the old boardwalk, possibly emptying out into the river by Thunder Mountain. We’ll see. Hard to tell what’s going on over by the Haunted Mansion, though.

 

[Casper Gutman]

The Lord of the Rings trilogy is a western! Maybe The Lion, Witch and the Wardrobe is one too.

You’re flailing.

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

Not true. I’m very much on the Pixie Duster end of the spectrum, and though today’s news leaves me a bit more optimistic about the project than I was, I still wish it weren’t happening.

I’m glad you and others are into it, but there’s no need to question the legitimacy of others’ feelings.

Oh please. Every single person reading my original post should know EXACTLY the members on these forums I am talking about.
P.s. you’re not one of them.

 

[Incomudro]

It doesn't really matter, the Cowboys and Indians genre of western entertainment is not popular anymore because we, as a society, don't find it acceptable to glorify the exploitation and killing of the indigenous people.

Yes, there is certainly some of that for current people.
But the whole genre was already over even when I was a little kid.
I was born in '63, so add a couple of years to that for my friends and I as little kids - and none of us cared for the Cowboys and Indians western stuff.
That was the black and white age.
We played "army" and "cops and robbers."
Yes, there have been successful westerns, some of which (Unforgiven and Dances with Wolves) I have loved.

 

[Andrew C]

Be back in a bit...Gunsmoke is on, followed by F Troop.