Would you rather pay less for an “Only Disneyland Park” annual pass?

PiratesMansion

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To be fair none of those parks have anything at Monsters inc, Cars Land, or Guardians level of quality (even TSM). I'll agree that the rest of the park's attractions are at a level below.

DL is of course the gold standard, which makes it even more important for Disney to put money on DCA. Regarding ticket prices - it's more likely for Disney to add a premium to DL than a discount to DCA.
Counterpoint: Calico Mine Ride and Calico Log Ride are ABSOLUTELY better than Monsters Inc, as is the DC Superheroes dark ride at Magic Mountain.

It is not hard at all to be better than Monsters Inc.
 
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DLR92

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Mission BO also feels like a Universal Studios Hollywood version of a superior Universal Studios Orlando attraction. It works, but it feels really cheap and basic.
I had the same impression when I was waiting in the queue line. The lobby was a sticker shock for me. Overall is still enjoyable attraction. But I am not in love with the retheme. Bring back the Tower of Terror. :/
 

Professortango1

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That's because it's a Disney's California Adventure version of a Disney-MGM Studios ride. ;)
Nah, that was TOT. And luckily, while DCA's facade and queue were certainly subpar, at least the ride portion was improved upon the original. The retheme took a discount facade and queue and made them worse and then made the ride portion much worse with nothing but screens; dropping it out of Disney-quality entirely.
 

Too Many Hats

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If Disneyland was like DCA, it would be...pretty close to Hong Kong Disneyland, probably, which was very much developed around the same time and in the same spirit as DCA and WDSP.

Nah. I comment there occasionally but mostly avoid it, not because of anything I've seen or heard, really, but mostly because it is so weirdly restrictive on what can/cannot be posted there, and what is allowed through seems very superficial as a result. I spend more time on the Disney Planning subreddit, because I enjoy answering trip planning questions and we don't get that many of those around here. That's the only Disney subreddit I spend much time on.

That sounds cool, I’ll have to check that one out. r/Disneyland is a bizarre place where (in my experience) WDI is above criticism and all CMs are philosopher kings. Not a place for any kind of critical discussion.
 

Too Many Hats

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I try to stay away from any fan-related subreddits. They get toxic real fast, and if you make one single critique on anything that isn't supported by the group-think you get downvoted to high heavens.

I prefer to stick to tech subs where I can help support people who are having issues.

Ha that’s been my exact experience over there. Not trying to be mean, but a lot of posters on that subreddit seem like stereotypes of the “Disney adult” who makes Disney/Disneyland their entire personality and feels personally wounded by any criticism of their special place.

Generally speaking I think people over here have a bit more self-awareness.
 

Too Many Hats

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I feel compelled to defend Monsters Inc. at DCA. Look, it’s no masterpiece, but it’s a bright and engaging old school style dark ride with some creative moments, comprised entirely of practical effects — in a park where classic Disney parks “magic” is in short supply. It obviously has its limitations, and it’s living on borrowed time. But it has some charm.

It’s way better than Little Mermaid. Within DCA’s lackluster lineup, I’d probably only rank RSR, Soarin’, TSMM, Grizzly, and M:BO ahead of it.
 

Professortango1

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I feel compelled to defend Monsters Inc. at DCA. Look, it’s no masterpiece, but it’s a bright and engaging old school style dark ride with some creative moments, comprised entirely of practical effects — in a park where classic Disney parks “magic” is in short supply. It obviously has its limitations, and it’s living on borrowed time. But it has some charm.

It’s way better than Little Mermaid. Within DCA’s lackluster lineup, I’d probably only rank RSR, Soarin’, TSMM, Grizzly, and M:BO ahead of it.

I kind of agree, to a certain extent. I think part of the success of Fantasyland is the idea of a courtyard of small Charmin attractions makes a whole worth more than the dum of their parts. I think it's only of the reason Pooh gets so much hate because it feels lackluster between Tiama's and Rise of the Resistance.

If Monsters had a few other Pixar-thened darkrides neighboring it, I think it would be better received. If it wasn't in the most out of the way corner in the back of a land which has the worst lineup of any DCA land, it might fare better.

But there are some major issues with the ride.

The queue/facade - the whole area is so ugly and cold. Industrial without any character. The indoor section is better, but still pretty barren feeling.

The TVs/Tunnel - I understand why they are there, because of the cheap retherne, but it is still a detraction. They tried to make it work as best as they could and I think it almost works. But then I think how much better it would be to be getting the alerts and news footage in the queue to then jump into the darkride immediately.

The repurposed animatronics - once again, I get it and think it turned out decently, all things considered. But the ride is at its best when they are not relying on the pre-posed CDA figures.

Once you get past the bathroom scene, the ride cooks. Up until then, it's hit and miss for me.

The biggest problem I have with Monsters Inc, Mike and Sully to the Rescue (other than the name) is that the lacks a moment. Every darkride features an audacious and grandiose sequence. Something that surprises you based on scale or absurdity or uniqueness. A vibe scene.

Peter Pan - Fly over London/Neverland

Pinocchio - Pleasure Island sequence

Pooh - Heffalumps and Woozles

Toad - Hell sequence

Roger Rabbit - Powerplant sequence

Alice -Leaf Descent

Snow White - Mine (I would have said the scary forest scene prior)

With Monsters Inc, I feel like the biggest and most impressive scene is the first one. I guess the door rooms are decent, but maybe it's because it feels very much like we are going from small door rooms to another small door rooms to another small door rooms that I don't get the same gleeful response as I do at these other iconic moments.

If the Harryhousen scene was a bit wilder or if the CDA rushing us before escaping into MI was a bigger spectacle, I think the ride would be received much better. It's missing that moment.
 

MK-fan

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I mean if you really chop down DCA’s roster of attractions, it’s not very impressive.

You have 8 run of the mill off the shelf rides

You have two interactive screen rides

You have two traditional dark rides

A flying screen ride

An E-Ticket dark ride

A trackless dancer ride

A water raft ride

A wooden roller coaster

A Themed drop tower ride

To me, DCA just has a lot of fluff. More quantity of rides than actual quality. We definitely deserve quality attractions that can even out the attraction roster and i’m happy that we’re getting some. In the 25 year history of the park, we haven’t got enough new quality rides, instead we’ve had numerous rethemes. I can think of 10 rethemes right off the bat and that’s already too much.
 
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Too Many Hats

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I kind of agree, to a certain extent. I think part of the success of Fantasyland is the idea of a courtyard of small Charmin attractions makes a whole worth more than the dum of their parts. I think it's only of the reason Pooh gets so much hate because it feels lackluster between Tiama's and Rise of the Resistance.

If Monsters had a few other Pixar-thened darkrides neighboring it, I think it would be better received. If it wasn't in the most out of the way corner in the back of a land which has the worst lineup of any DCA land, it might fare better.

Location is definitely awful, I'll give you that. It's arguably the worst land in any Disney park.

But there are some major issues with the ride.

The queue/facade - the whole area is so ugly and cold. Industrial without any character. The indoor section is better, but still pretty barren feeling.

Here's where I'll lose most people. I agree that the facade is uninspired and, objectively, the outdoor queue is sterile and sad. But subjectively... I kind of like the outdoor queue. I have a lot of nostalgia for late-1990s/early-2000s Disney-MGM Studios, which had several cheap, lazy "soundstage"-themed queues like this one. So it kind of does something for me, as crazy as that is. I should clarify that I've never waited longer than 15 minutes for this attraction, always breezing right through the outdoor portion of the queue.

I think the indoor queue features some legitimately funny writing, but yeah it's pretty barren. In general I don't like when people endlessly rationalize or downplay WDI's missteps, but in this particular case we know what they were up against (the bones of a disastrous attraction and a shoestring budget). They did what they could.

The TVs/Tunnel - I understand why they are there, because of the cheap retherne, but it is still a detraction. They tried to make it work as best as they could and I think it almost works. But then I think how much better it would be to be getting the alerts and news footage in the queue to then jump into the darkride immediately.

I don't mind this. It's definitely weird, but I wonder if it feels that way because I know it's the section of Mike & Sulley most informed by Superstar Limo. I bet most guests (blissfully unaware of SSL's existence) just go with it.

The repurposed animatronics - once again, I get it and think it turned out decently, all things considered. But the ride is at its best when they are not relying on the pre-posed CDA figures.

Yeah, if it were a new build, I'd be incredulous at the limited-motion AAs (if we can even call them that; several characters barely qualify as "moving figures"). Several sets are pretty underdeveloped as well.

Once you get past the bathroom scene, the ride cooks. Up until then, it's hit and miss for me.

The biggest problem I have with Monsters Inc, Mike and Sully to the Rescue (other than the name) is that the lacks a moment. Every darkride features an audacious and grandiose sequence. Something that surprises you based on scale or absurdity or uniqueness. A vibe scene.

Peter Pan - Fly over London/Neverland

Pinocchio - Pleasure Island sequence

Pooh - Heffalumps and Woozles

Toad - Hell sequence

Roger Rabbit - Powerplant sequence

Alice -Leaf Descent

Snow White - Mine (I would have said the scary forest scene prior)

With Monsters Inc, I feel like the biggest and most impressive scene is the first one. I guess the door rooms are decent, but maybe it's because it feels very much like we are going from small door rooms to another small door rooms to another small door rooms that I don't get the same gleeful response as I do at these other iconic moments.

If the Harryhousen scene was a bit wilder or if the CDA rushing us before escaping into MI was a bigger spectacle, I think the ride would be received much better. It's missing that moment.

I agree with this criticism; the lack of a show-stopping moment is likely the attraction's greatest flaw. The "doors" scene likely qualifies as the signature moment for most guests, but obviously it doesn't really deliver what we see in the film. The city, sushi, bathroom, and Roz scenes are all great fun, but none reach the level of flying over London or going to Hell.

That said, I don't think Pooh, Roger, or Pinocchio (all rides I enjoy) really have a single show-stopping moment either (IMO if Heffalumps or Roger's power plant scene qualify as show-stopping, then the Monsters doors scene should too -- but really IMO none of them are). These rides feel more like a series of pleasant, engaging sequences. This approach isn't bad by any means, but I imagine it helps prevent these attractions from being deeply memorable to most guests.
 

Model3 McQueen

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In the Parks
No
When DCA built Carsland and Buena Vista Street, the fire was burning strong and it was exiting to see what was next for the park but after that, Disney did not take advantage of it to keep the fire going. Instead, they opted to rest on their laurels and just do Ride/Land makeovers time and time again to Tower of Terror, Pacific Wharf, Soarin’, Paradise Pier with IP’s just slapped on and added a little flair.

What new rides did we get? Webslingers? A ride that no one asked for especially since we already had Toy Story Mania. That’s like USH putting in Despicable Me after they already had The Simpsons Ride. What else? Luigi’s Rollickin’ Roadsters? While it’s a good ride, it was only put in because Flying Tires was becoming a problem.

Is that it? Yup, 13 years later and this is what we have had to show for it. We’ve had no new D or E tickets during this time, These new rides slated for the park can’t come soon enough so Avengers better knock it out of the park.

100%. Just wasted funds, fixing what wasn't broken (and I use the term "fixing" figuratively).

Only thing i'd like to add is that they took out Bug's Land for the Marvel area, and my little girls would've had a bit more to do.
 

Model3 McQueen

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In the Parks
No
I mean if you really chop down DCA’s roster of attractions, it’s not very impressive.

You have 8 run of the mill off the shelf rides

You have two interactive screen rides

You have two traditional dark rides

A flying screen ride

An E-Ticket dark ride

A trackless dancer ride

A water raft ride

A wooden roller coaster

A Themed drop tower ride

To me, DCA just has a lot of fluff. More quantity of rides than actual quality. We definitely deserve quality attractions that can even out the attraction roster and i’m happy that we’re getting some. In the 25 year history of the park, we haven’t got enough new quality rides, instead we’ve had numerous rethemes. I can think of 10 rethemes right off the bat and that’s already too much.

DCA, without the Disney name, is just a mix Universal Hollywood / Six Flags.
 

Professortango1

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That said, I don't think Pooh, Roger, or Pinocchio (all rides I enjoy) really have a single show-stopping moment either (IMO if Heffalumps or Roger's power plant scene qualify as show-stopping, then the Monsters doors scene should too -- but really IMO none of them are). These rides feel more like a series of pleasant, engaging sequences. This approach isn't bad by any means, but I imagine it helps prevent these attractions from being deeply memorable to most guests.

If the door scene was a giant room we wove throughout, I'd support that. Pinocchio's Pleasure Island seems gigantic as we are in that big room for quite awhile. Even as we head back to the pool hall we are still in that giant sequence. Roger Rabbit's Electric Factory isn't as grand, but the mirrors and scale certainly make the scene feel impressive. It also feels creatively fun when compared to warehouse half of the ride.

I'd say that Toad's is the least grand in terms scale, but it makes up for it in commitment and absurdity.

I guess it's the cherry on top moment. The thing they didn't need to include, but man are we glad they did. Monsters Inc needs that.
 

PiratesMansion

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I was gonna try and say that it's better than Six Flags- but then I remembered the cheap signage and facades that plague Pixar Pier.
In fairness, Six Flags is ALSO home to plenty of cheap signage and facades.

DCA at the very least has better food than Six Flags.

There should be a greater distance between the two than there is, absolutely, but I'd say DCA is still above Six Flags despite everything wrong with it.
 
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