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[Tony the Tigger]

I mean, Batuu looks like Tatooine with more diverse visuals and foliage.

As for Kyle Ren vs Vader, it's six of one and half a dozen of another. I think Kylo is a better character, but Vader is iconic as well. But having Vader would mean no "heroes" like Han or Luke as they would be way too old to appear alongside Vader. Kylo allows them to use the actors for Finn and Po.

Not sure how moving to OT and having to resort to.unknown side characters in Rise makes it a better experience

Nah. There’s no reason to presume we’re visiting when Han is old or dead.

Different lands, different timeframes. Easy peasy.

Re: Ren vs. Vader: Both Ren and Anakin are the whiniest of whiny little snots.

Vader in ep 4 without that backstory was terrifying.

 

[Professortango1]

Nah. There’s no reason to presume we’re visiting when Han is old or dead.

Different lands, different timeframes. Easy peasy.

Re: Ren vs. Vader: Both Ren and Anakin are the whiniest of whiny little snots.

Vader in ep 4 without that backstory was terrifying.

I'm referring to the fact that Harrison Ford and Mark Hamil cannot appear in the preshow as the current stars do without appearing super old. So if you want Han Solo instead of Po, it's going to have to be either a new face actor, uncanny valley de-aging, or elderly Ford. Those are the only three options if you want OT timeline and to have those characters present.

And Vader was a great Black Knight trope in Ep 4, but even mocked by his fellow Imperials. He wasn't the big bad, he was the henchman of the big bad. They changed his character a lot in Ep 5.

 

[Professortango1]

Now this I agree with. I have no issue with the ST or Disney Star Wars, I like most of it I'd say. BUT who tf cares about Batuu?!

What makes it even more puzzling is that the stuff they did go through with in the land: Oga's Cantina, The Falcon ride etc, none of it is unique to this random planet. All of it exists on somewhere like Tatooine in a much more iconic and visually distinct form.

Kylo Ren should have been Darth Vader. Instead of some random OC Resistance Spy walking around, it should have been Han and Chewie.

I know it's been spoken about death, but is truly one of the most puzzling choices of the modern Disney era. The money they left on the table is insane.

Its too bad they did Batuu. If they did Tatooine, we could have not had any of that rockwork and instead had some squat and featureless one story adobe huts and a Cantina with a far simpler bar decor. Why did Disney have to give us something bigger, with more shade, and more details?

If you look at Isle of Berk, you can clearly see that the issue isn't which one-note planet the land was themed to, its the fact the land feels dead. If they had large alien creatures puppeted like the dragons, walk around bounty hunters and aliens, interactive droids and elements, and actual entertainment in the land, it would be a very different GE. Instead, we got a set where all of the actors are on break.

 

[Disney Irish]

I'm referring to the fact that Harrison Ford and Mark Hamil cannot appear in the preshow as the current stars do without appearing super old. So if you want Han Solo instead of Po, it's going to have to be either a new face actor, uncanny valley de-aging, or elderly Ford. Those are the only three options if you want OT timeline and to have those characters present.

And Vader was a great Black Knight trope in Ep 4, but even mocked by his fellow Imperials. He wasn't the big bad, he was the henchman of the big bad. They changed his character a lot in Ep 5.

I know it’s a little nitpicky but it Poe not Po.

Po is the name of the panda in Kung Fu Panda not the pilot from the ST.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I know it’s a little nitpicky but it Poe not Po.

Po is the name of the panda in Kung Fu Panda not the pilot from the ST.

 

[Touchdown]

Actually you could do some cheating to make the OT characters work. The Rey part could be done by Asoka Tano, with Luke in the Poe part. Luke could still be voiced by Hamill but have his flight helmet have a face mask component that could hide the lower face. The eyes are ich easier to CG in. Han can be the Finn part with Chewy. Have Chewy start the comm and then have the Ride CM respond with I can’t speak Wokkie. Then you could have Ford off camera chime in with an exasperated sigh and say “He said….” avoiding old Harrison.

 

[Professortango1]

Actually you could do some cheating to make the OT characters work. The Rey part could be done by Asoka Tano, with Luke in the Poe part. Luke could still be voiced by Hamill but have his flight helmet have a face mask component that could hide the lower face. The eyes are ich easier to CG in. Han can be the Finn part with Chewy. Have Chewy start the comm and then have the Ride CM respond with I can’t speak Wokkie. Then you could have Ford off camera chime in with an exasperated sigh and say “He said….” avoiding old Harrison.

Sounds pretty janky and cluttered compared to the streamlined experience we currently have. The face swap/voiced by Hamilton stuff in Mandalorian was bad enough, I'd love not see that every time I want to ride Disney's new big E ticket.

And replacing Rey with Ahsoka sounds terrible. Rey wasn't a fantastic character, but at least she was a main character in the franchise. Ahsoka had a really bland initial appearance in the worst season of Mandalorian and then it was followed up by a pretty bland show. The good news is of they ever made an AA of Ahsoka, they wouldn't need to program in any facial expressions and the character being wooden and stiff leads itself to an AA.

I know she was a character from the cartoon show before that, but that's pretty niche and her live action appearances have done little to make me want to watch bad children's cartoons to learn more about a lifeless and bland character.

 

[truecoat]

Sounds pretty janky and cluttered compared to the streamlined experience we currently have. The face swap/voiced by Hamilton stuff in Mandalorian was bad enough, I'd love not see that every time I want to ride Disney's new big E ticket.

And replacing Rey with Ahsoka sounds terrible. Rey wasn't a fantastic character, but at least she was a main character in the franchise. Ahsoka had a really bland initial appearance in the worst season of Mandalorian and then it was followed up by a pretty bland show. The good news is of they ever made an AA of Ahsoka, they wouldn't need to program in any facial expressions and the character being wooden and stiff leads itself to an AA.

I know she was a character from the cartoon show before that, but that's pretty niche and her live action appearances have done little to make me want to watch bad children's cartoons to learn more about a lifeless and bland character.

Ahsoka was in 7 seasons of The Clone Wars also.

 

[Professortango1]

Ahsoka was in 7 seasons of The Clone Wars also.

Yeah, I acknowledged she was in the cartoon show. I tried watching it a few times and it's skewed too young for me. And I hate the animation style.

I have no issues with people liking it or liking her, but as a casual fan who is visiting the parks, she's that really bland and boring character played by Rosario Dawson.

That's one of the biggest issues of Mando season 2. It expects us to care about characters that were established in a cartoon years ago and gives us nothing to make us like them or care in the actual content of the show.

 

[Agent H]

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Its too bad they did Batuu. If they did Tatooine, we could have not had any of that rockwork and instead had some squat and featureless one story adobe huts and a Cantina with a far simpler bar decor. Why did Disney have to give us something bigger, with more shade, and more details?

If you look at Isle of Berk, you can clearly see that the issue isn't which one-note planet the land was themed to, its the fact the land feels dead. If they had large alien creatures puppeted like the dragons, walk around bounty hunters and aliens, interactive droids and elements, and actual entertainment in the land, it would be a very different GE. Instead, we got a set where all of the actors are on break.

While we’re at it can talk about the hypocrisy of people complaining “Disney only designs ip based stuff!” But when Disney designs a land squarely in the middle the same people will complain about that too?

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Sounds pretty janky and cluttered compared to the streamlined experience we currently have. The face swap/voiced by Hamilton stuff in Mandalorian was bad enough, I'd love not see that every time I want to ride Disney's new big E ticket.

And replacing Rey with Ahsoka sounds terrible. Rey wasn't a fantastic character, but at least she was a main character in the franchise. Ahsoka had a really bland initial appearance in the worst season of Mandalorian and then it was followed up by a pretty bland show. The good news is of they ever made an AA of Ahsoka, they wouldn't need to program in any facial expressions and the character being wooden and stiff leads itself to an AA.

I know she was a character from the cartoon show before that, but that's pretty niche and her live action appearances have done little to make me want to watch bad children's cartoons to learn more about a lifeless and bland character.

Here's my suggestion:

Rise of the Resistance is rethemed to the OT timeline in this way. The ride takes place between Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi (so Han is not involved in this ride) by making the guests play the role of kidnapped Outer Rim traders who are suspected of espionage by the Empire. It turns out that there actually IS a spy among you (like Star Tours), and the Rebellion sends Luke, Leia, and Chewbacca to rescue you. The plotline of the attraction is actually pretty similar, replacing Kylo Ren with Darth Vader.

Smugglers' Run is simply changed so that it takes place during the OT Timeline, replacing Hondo with Lando (because Han is frozen in carbonite). I realize I'm painting myself into an unpopular corner by having this take place during the one time period when Han is inactive, but I think it could work. Or just have Han be around for the Millennium Falcon ride...make it entirely separate from RotR. Either way, it's better than what we've got now.

 

[Professortango1]

Either way, it's better than what we've got now.

I would disagree. Especially with how sad Billy Dee Williams was in Rise of Skywalker. Rise is fine. Sure, it could use a better queue and some new practical effects on the ride, but the experience works pretty well from preshow to finale. Adding a more convoluted plot and old characters looking old doesn't make it better for me

Smugglers Run just needs better gameplay, and a resigned queue that prioritizes more to see in the big room and less time standing in a hallway looking at a lifeless Falcon.

Star Tours got it right decades ago, and even despite them turning the ride into a disjointed CGI mess with hamfisted cameos, the queue itself is still an enjoyable wait.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

Especially with how sad Billy Dee Williams was in Rise of Skywalker

Animatronics make everyone less sad! Forever 1980!

 

[Touchdown]

I don’t think Disney is selling much Rise LL. Everytime I’ve gone on it this week, Ive been stopped around the cave entrance and blazed through the indoor queue in under 20 min. The last few days I’ve made it a point to look back at the LL when getting grouped and both times that line has been empty. I can see plenty of people still buy RSR LL (I’m a SRL guy) and that standby queue moves slow because of it, I know that Rise should also be like that from DHS but it seems like the average DL guest does not think it is a worthwhile cost. Given all the new attractions going into DCA while DLR gets a new MSUSA show and nothing else, I assume management expects Rise to stay single access. If they really want to do that they probably need to drop the price.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I don’t think Disney is selling much Rise LL. Everytime I’ve gone on it this week, Ive been stopped around the cave entrance and blazed through the indoor queue in under 20 min. The last few days I’ve made it a point to look back at the LL when getting grouped and both times that line has been empty. I can see plenty of people still buy RSR LL (I’m a SRL guy) and that standby queue moves slow because of it, I know that Rise should also be like that from DHS but it seems like the average DL guest does not think it is a worthwhile cost. Given all the new attractions going into DCA while DLR gets a new MSUSA show and nothing else, I assume management expects Rise to stay single access. If they really want to do that they probably need to drop the price.

It’s basically a walk on every night

It’s been 6 years and I’ve mostly held my tongue about what it is and what it is fast becoming…don’t want to “spoil the magic” for anyone

 

[Touchdown]

It’s basically a walk on every night

It’s been 6 years and I’ve mostly held my tongue about what it is and what it is fast becoming…don’t want to “spoil the magic” for anyone

People still love the ride, but it is very much a once a day ride at best. No one is marathoning that thing or riding it multiple times a day like the coasters, Guardians, or RSR.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would disagree. Especially with how sad Billy Dee Williams was in Rise of Skywalker. Rise is fine. Sure, it could use a better queue and some new practical effects on the ride, but the experience works pretty well from preshow to finale. Adding a more convoluted plot and old characters looking old doesn't make it better for me

Smugglers Run just needs better gameplay, and a resigned queue that prioritizes more to see in the big room and less time standing in a hallway looking at a lifeless Falcon.

Star Tours got it right decades ago, and even despite them turning the ride into a disjointed CGI mess with hamfisted cameos, the queue itself is still an enjoyable wait.

I have personally felt that all the Star Wars rides have been poorly executed. Perhaps they should have done “kiddie” and “adult” (yes I’m serious) concepts to serve all masters.

All three took the approach of “we have this cutting edge technology…and Star Wars…so everyone will love it regardless” without understanding why Star Wars was popular…for 50 years.

But I am a harsh critic:

I think the falcon ride offers the most promise as far as reprogramming/getting a jolt…the other ride could use a retheme…but it won’t happen.

The one constant is a missed opportunity

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People still love the ride, but it is very much a once a day ride at best. No one is marathoning that thing or riding it multiple times a day like the coasters, Guardians, or RSR.

It suffers from two main things:

The story basis is putrid and gets worse - literally - by the day. Excellent work “braintrust”

The US trackless rides have no teeth to them…really none. To do hitech omnimover replacements is a choice for sure…and in the case of rat, Mickey Mouse…fine. Luigi’s is my favorite because it’s fun and clever.

But the action IP on it? No. Misread.

It’s well built…it’s ambitious…it’s a fitting tribute to Abramsland…but the problem is that they totally missed on the source.

So in 5 years…or 10…who’s gonna want to relive movies that have been rotting on tnt and/or D+?

The best they can hope for is “amnesia to quality” as has happened in recent years with the prequels. Lightning would have to strike twice

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

While we’re at it can talk about the hypocrisy of people complaining “Disney only designs ip based stuff!” But when Disney designs a land squarely in the middle the same people will complain about that too?

It was a miss…

You get a mandatory amount of foot traffic because they just happen to be welded to the two most attended park compounds on the planet…

But imagine if those lands were GOOD and in those same two spots?

That is just a chapter in a continuing sad story. But andor was great…so at least we got a win recently

 

[Professortango1]

It suffers from two main things:

The story basis is putrid and gets worse - literally - by the day. Excellent work “braintrust”

The US trackless rides have no teeth to them…really none. To do hitech omnimover replacements is a choice for sure…and in the case of rat, Mickey Mouse…fine. Luigi’s is my favorite because it’s fun and clever.

But the action IP on it? No. Misread.

It’s well built…it’s ambitious…it’s a fitting tribute to Abramsland…but the problem is that they totally missed on the source.

So in 5 years…or 10…who’s gonna want to relive movies that have been rotting on tnt and/or D+?

The best they can hope for is “amnesia to quality” as has happened in recent years with the prequels. Lightning would have to strike twice

I don't ride Rise because of the movies that inspired the ride. I ride Rise because its a good ride. I love Guardians of the Galaxy as a film series, but Mission BO is typically skipped by me because the quality of the ride is trash. Ride quality is what makes me want to ride attractions, not what IP they are featuring. Hence why Spider-Man is beloved yet WEB Slingers never has more than an hour wait.

So, I'm not worried about how well the ST will age. It doesn't really matter. We know the scary guy in all black threatening us is the bad guy and we know we are the good guys, trying to escape.

If Runaway Railway used motion for the waterfall sequence, it might win me over, but the ride feels too choppy. Switch out the Wild West Room and the Dance Studio, add some motion for the waterfall; and you might have a great ride.