SPOILERS: Star Wars' ANDOR Seasons 1 & 2

[MisterPenguin]

My biggest gripe is they fell into the same trap as so many prequels: they try to create tension by putting people in danger who we KNOW survive!

Yeah... but that's true for any historical movie. We know what happened to Caesar. We know who won World War II. We know what happened to Nixon.

A prequel is just like a historical film, just in a fictional world with it's own in-universe history.

 

[HoustonHorn]

Yeah... but that's true for any historical movie. We know what happened to Caesar. We know who won World War II. We know what happened to Nixon.

A prequel is just like a historical film, just in a fictional world with it's own in-universe history.

But....it doesn't have to be? In historical films, you're constrained by actual history that actually happened. In fiction, you have the freedom to choose your own adventure.

After S1, I just expected better. And I feel let down. I'm having a hard time coming to the realization that other than an odd nugget (Rebels S4, Rogue 1, Mando S1-2), Disney's Star Wars is just not made for me. Which is sad for me.

 

[Disney Irish]

But....it doesn't have to be? In historical films, you're constrained by actual history that actually happened. In fiction, you have the freedom to choose your own adventure.

After S1, I just expected better. And I feel let down. I'm having a hard time coming to the realization that other than an odd nugget (Rebels S4, Rogue 1, Mando S1-2), Disney's Star Wars is just not made for me. Which is sad for me.

I mean what did you want Andor and Mon sitting on the sidelines safe until the events of their respective movies? It’s war, there is threats at every turn. To have your main characters not face threats and adversity would actually be the lazy way to tell a story. The whole point is to have their story arc mean something by the time they reach their climax in the movies. Without that it doesn’t feel earned, and that would be the real let down.

 

[Dranth]

I will go as far to say this is the best Star Wars since Empire

Agree, though I can see how it would not be for some who are looking for the more fantasy/adventure aspects. Personally I love the grounded treatment of it.

 

[Phroobar]

Personally I believe the star wars animated stuff is much better than the live action stuff. Tales from the Underworld had a couple great stories. I liked the retelling of High Noon with Cad Bane. I finished episode 7 of Andor and still no action.

 

[Disney Irish]

Personally I believe the star wars animated stuff is much better than the live action stuff. Tales from the Underworld had a couple great stories. I liked the retelling of High Noon with Cad Bane. I finished episode 7 of Andor and still no action.

Wait until Ep8 and 9 and you'll get the action I think you're looking for.

 

[mf1972]

Personally I believe the star wars animated stuff is much better than the live action stuff. Tales from the Underworld had a couple great stories. I liked the retelling of High Noon with Cad Bane. I finished episode 7 of Andor and still no action.

had to admit that was better than i expected it to be. liked bane from the get go. took me awhile to warm up to ventress. like her new look better.

 

[Phroobar]

had to admit that was better than i expected it to be. liked bane from the get go. took me awhile to warm up to ventress. like her new look better.

The Ventress story kind of starts you off at the end of a book. I don't think there is an animated episode where she dies. I could be wrong.

 

[Phroobar]

Episode 8 was good seeing the protests against the Empire and how it got out of control. Good seeing the Imperial droids tossing people around like rag dolls. Tragic ending for Syril. The guy was played by old Sourpuss Dedra the entire time. Granted she was forced to. I'll have to look for more stuff with Denise Gough. I like her. I just started episode 9. I'm ready for Alan Tudyk to save the show.

 

[Indy_UK]

These last 3 episode have been spectacular. Probably some of the best Star Wars I Have seen. Sadly Andor will probably be a one trip success in the franchise and they will go back to more crap like the Acolyte

 

[Phroobar]

Episode 8&9 where very good. I enjoyed the spiriting away of Mon Mothma from the Imperial Senate. Still it felt a little easy to get away. Why didn't they send a couple of TIEs after her speeder?

 

[Eric Graham]

Pilots just being able to flying anything is the logic and reality that is typically pushed aside. Military and civilian pilots are trained on specific aircraft. Not wanting to trigger retraining was a big part of why Boeing chose to keep modifying the 737 instead designing an entirely new plane.

Some of my neighbors in Beaufort flew FA-18's. One of the pilots buzzed the neighborhood which was a big no no. The sonic boom could wind up shattering all of the windows in the neighborhood. I took my wife back not too long ago and there were 3 of them screaming above us. She thought it was awesome! I was in that are when they were filming Forrest Gump, GI Jane (where they shelled an island for the Vietnam scenes), the Prince of Tides etc. Actually Tom Hanks gave a bride to be a good luck kiss before she was married...great story!

 

[flynnibus]

And we Finally get episodes worthy!

Mon continues to be the best part of this show..

I didn’t like syril’s snap moment… really didn’t feel natural. This entire season they play him to be the bafoon… and in a moment of defiance he drops dedra because now he realizes the empire works with multiple motives?? Come on..

Still trying to figure out why we stopped at yavin the first time.

The timeline was getting pretty difficult for me… to see how the rebel size and unity got from where they are in andor now… vs rogue one and in ep iv

Epi iv always gave the impression the rebellion had been a long slow insurgence… for random kid in the outter rim to hear tales etc.

But the whole adult jyn story slams the whole rogue one period of time right into battle of yavin like the whole thing for both her and epi iv is like weeks…

So the rebels real life span as a military unit is like… a year plus-ish?

Just always felt like the original saga had yavin as like the first real direct major conflict… where the rebels were more a shadow thing but long running and widespread. Where andor and rogue one seem to layout this slow burn that somehow goes from a dozen agents to full military alliance in like… 12 months

Would love to see more of a master timeline after all this is done… it can be hard to reconcile ag times.

 

[Phroobar]

And we Finally get episodes worthy!

Mon continues to be the best part of this show..

I didn’t like syril’s snap moment… really didn’t feel natural. This entire season they play him to be the bafoon… and in a moment of defiance he drops dedra because now he realizes the empire works with multiple motives?? Come on..

Still trying to figure out why we stopped at yavin the first time.

The timeline was getting pretty difficult for me… to see how the rebel size and unity got from where they are in andor now… vs rogue one and in ep iv

Epi iv always gave the impression the rebellion had been a long slow insurgence… for random kid in the outter rim to hear tales etc.

But the whole adult jyn story slams the whole rogue one period of time right into battle of yavin like the whole thing for both her and epi iv is like weeks…

So the rebels real life span as a military unit is like… a year plus-ish?

Just always felt like the original saga had yavin as like the first real direct major conflict… where the rebels were more a shadow thing but long running and widespread. Where andor and rogue one seem to layout this slow burn that somehow goes from a dozen agents to full military alliance in like… 12 months

Would love to see more of a master timeline after all this is done… it can be hard to reconcile ag times.

What was the rebellion doing for 18 years before that? The senators where talking taking back emergency powers towards the end of the Clone Wars. It must have been a shock for them when the Emperor dissolved the Senate when the Death Star went online.

 

[danlb_2000]

And we Finally get episodes worthy!

Mon continues to be the best part of this show..

I didn’t like syril’s snap moment… really didn’t feel natural. This entire season they play him to be the bafoon… and in a moment of defiance he drops dedra because now he realizes the empire works with multiple motives?? Come on..

Yeah, I think this is a part of the story that could have used some more time to develop. I like his snap, but we needed more a build to it.

Still trying to figure out why we stopped at yavin the first time.

The only thing I can think of, and I'll admit it's a little shaky, is that they did this to show where Andor's skills are currently at with how he dealt with that situation.

The timeline was getting pretty difficult for me… to see how the rebel size and unity got from where they are in andor now… vs rogue one and in ep iv

Epi iv always gave the impression the rebellion had been a long slow insurgence… for random kid in the outter rim to hear tales etc.

But the whole adult jyn story slams the whole rogue one period of time right into battle of yavin like the whole thing for both her and epi iv is like weeks…

So the rebels real life span as a military unit is like… a year plus-ish?

Just always felt like the original saga had yavin as like the first real direct major conflict… where the rebels were more a shadow thing but long running and widespread. Where andor and rogue one seem to layout this slow burn that somehow goes from a dozen agents to full military alliance in like… 12 months

Would love to see more of a master timeline after all this is done… it can be hard to reconcile ag times.

The opening crawl of A New Hope does say that the battle to steal the Death Star plans was the rebel's "first victory", so it does appear is was much more of an "underground" operation until that time. A deleted scene from early in A New Hope does shed a little more light on what Luke know about the rebellion.

I think you are right on with the Rouge One through A New Hope timeline. A New Hope probably takes place over the course of only a few days and Rouge One is probably a simlar period of time.

 

[Phroobar]

Yeah, I think this is a part of the story that could have used some more time to develop. I like his snap, but we needed more a build to it.



The only thing I can think of, and I'll admit it's a little shaky, is that they did this to show where Andor's skills are currently at with how he dealt with that situation.



The opening crawl of A New Hope does say that the battle to steal the Death Star plans was the rebel's "first victory", so it does appear is was much more of an "underground" operation until that time. A deleted scene from early in A New Hope does shed a little more light on what Luke know about the rebellion.

I think you are right on with the Rouge One through A New Hope timeline. A New Hope probably takes place over the course of only a few days and Rouge One is probably a simlar period of time.

Luke was supposed to join the Imperial Academy and jump ship for the Rebellion with Biggs.

 

[MarvelCharacterNerd]

As noted, the best three episodes of the season thus far.

This show is SO good. Really sad it's coming to an end.

 

[Alice a]

And we Finally get episodes worthy!

Mon continues to be the best part of this show..

I didn’t like syril’s snap moment… really didn’t feel natural. This entire season they play him to be the bafoon… and in a moment of defiance he drops dedra because now he realizes the empire works with multiple motives?? Come on..

Still trying to figure out why we stopped at yavin the first time.

The timeline was getting pretty difficult for me… to see how the rebel size and unity got from where they are in andor now… vs rogue one and in ep iv

Epi iv always gave the impression the rebellion had been a long slow insurgence… for random kid in the outter rim to hear tales etc.

But the whole adult jyn story slams the whole rogue one period of time right into battle of yavin like the whole thing for both her and epi iv is like weeks…

So the rebels real life span as a military unit is like… a year plus-ish?

Just always felt like the original saga had yavin as like the first real direct major conflict… where the rebels were more a shadow thing but long running and widespread. Where andor and rogue one seem to layout this slow burn that somehow goes from a dozen agents to full military alliance in like… 12 months

Would love to see more of a master timeline after all this is done… it can be hard to reconcile ag times.

Every break is a jump of a year. So by the time we get to Rogue One, it’s been 3 years since the first season and 2 years since the initial time on Yavin.

2-3 years is a lot when you’re on the edge. Look at how 2020 changed a lot of things very quickly.

Also, planning/build up usually takes awhile, but once there’s a catalyst and plans HAVE to move forward, everything tends to accelerate.

The catalyst, in this case, being the Death Star.

 

[flynnibus]

Also, planning/build up usually takes awhile, but once there’s a catalyst and plans HAVE to move forward, everything tends to accelerate.

The catalyst, in this case, being the Death Star.

But the rebels don't know about the Death Star and it's weapon until Rogue One's timeline where the Pilot defects, Jedah is destroyed, and we go quickly into the battle of Scarif... which of course immediately flows into the start of EP IV.

Basically the catalyst you mention is already after the Rebels have established Yavin IV and built up the fleet. Scarif is the 'first victory'.

I'm not saying the story is conflicting.. I'm just saying it's kind of hard to track the timelines of the rebels going from individual cells.. like Luthan's, and Saw's, and others we see in other shows like Rebels.. to assembling into the Alliance with real assets, military structure, etc.

I think it's in part because the shows like to focus in on following a single cell, and don't give a lot of cross-reference to the other threads that are happening concurrently. The isolation of the cells fits story wise, but as an audience it makes it harder to piece together all these different versions of the story (from Rebels, from Andor, from Rogue One, from EPIV, from legends, etc).

It just makes it harder to step back and track how the rebellion moved from isolated resistence or insurgency.. to military coalition. I think it stood out to me in Andor because Cassian is showing resistance to this coordination and hierarchy.. something that previously was just Luthan... but quickly we jump from Luthan running a cell.. to leadership by a committee of the coalition leaders.

 

[Phroobar]

Haven't watched episodes 10-12 yet. What ever happen to the TIE Avenger Cassian stole? What was the point of that?