News Disney’s Q2 FY25 Earnings Results Webcast

Nevermore525

Well-Known Member
Do you know how park hopping effects attendance numbers? If I park hop three parks in one day, am I one attendee or three?
You are one attendee based on how Disney records and reports it.

From the SEC Filings: Attendance is used to analyze volume trends at our theme parks and is based on the number of unique daily entries, i.e. a person visiting multiple theme parks in a single day is counted only once. Our attendance count includes complimentary entries but excludes entries by children under the age of three.
 

DarkMetroid567

Well-Known Member
No one ever said "crushing defeat". You're making things up. But Disney itself?

“As we built our plans, we anticipated some small impact for Epic Universe opening, and we effectively hedged in the guidance we provided.” - Disney CFO Hugh Johnston, Feb 5, 2025
Honestly I still don’t really think this is admitting defeat either — just TWDC covering their bases. It’s not crazy to make guidance more conservative on your main competitor’s newest park opening.
 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
So in the next quarter or two there will be somewhere around a $200 million write down for Captain America BNW and another over $300 million write down for Snow White. Not an expert on financials but I would think these write downs are going to be a drag on profits, how do you think the stock market will react to the stock price? Just a friendly musing from an old man.

The full production costs and the majority of the theatrical marketing window hits the books when the movie is released. They don’t amortize theatrical releases over a long window. Both BNW and Snow are already largely accounted for in terms of drain. The only thing they won’t contribute is upside to q3.

Recall the prior year quarter didn’t contain releases.

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Mr. Sullivan

Well-Known Member
You’re not a market guy, huh? Because it’s absolutely underperforming

Math is fun

But since you seem to claiming “victory”…I don’t know why?…because you just buy their stuff…it’s not integral to your life…

The core issue remains. Their management is way past expiration date and as long as it has carte Blanche…the rudder is broken.

I wasn’t gonna bring it up…but now that I think about it: what “big hit” was predicted as a major flop here? Do tell…
I'm not claiming a victory. This is not my company, I don't work for them, i don't own their stock.

I am simply saying that you let your personal feelings convince you of a reality that just wasn't there and it's insane to watch you sit here and say they're committing fraud simply because the results don't show what you convinced yourself they were going to.

Maybe, just maybe, you and everyone else who spent all this time convinced that you were about to watch a disaster unfold need to take a step back and consider that you all perhaps don't understand the situation at hand to the depth that you think that you do.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
Comcast was pretty clear that declines at Universal’s domestic theme parks were largely driven by Universal Hollywood having a bad quarter and Epic Universe opening expenses. Here’s an excerpt from their earnings call. Comcast President Mike Cavanagh is speaking:

“On theme parks, our first quarter results continued to be stable in Florida. We had preopening expenses for Epic Universe. But excluding that underlying trend stable in Orlando, and what we're seeing for advanced bookings, both ticket sales and hotel bookings are strong for the overall parks and for Epic.

So while I see the same headlines you're sort of seeing about airlines and the like, some of that might be outside the window of our booking windows. But what we're seeing continues to be tracking well. And to your point, some of that is definitely related to the excitement about Epic without a doubt, which -- where reviews and preopening buzz is very strong. And again, ticket sales and advanced plans are a little ahead of our expectations. And so we feel right now, what we see is continued steadiness in the backdrop for parks.

I think one thing that you have to -- our domestic parks do draw a lot of folks from the US and a lot of folks from markets in the South, in the case of Florida that are not necessarily hopping on planes to get there. So there may be a delayed effect between what the airlines are starting to report on and what we see. But like I said, no real sign of that in our business as we sit here now.

And then in L.A., it's all related to getting L.A. back to having the tourism industry broadly recovered after the wildfires. And I think the whole market is continuing to see, people staying away a little bit more than I think the leadership in L.A. broadly or us as a park owner in that market would like it to be. But -- so that's domestic parks. And international trends for Japan and Beijing stable as well.”


It seems like Universal Orlando’s attendance was essentially flat YoY. Both Disney and Universal are having a fine 2025 so far.
These are from the past four Comcast quarterly earnings reports, including the most recent one. Universal’s domestic theme park attendance has been down every quarter for the past year.

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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Spending per guest did go up. BUT... that's not the only reason profit is up. Attendance in the parks and resort hotels was also up.

So, the narrative of "losing guests but those remaining are paying more" is half false.

Revenues - Theme park admissions
Theme park admissions revenue growth was due to increases of 4% from higher average per capita ticket revenue and 1% from attendance growth.​
Revenues - Resorts and vacations
Higher resorts and vacations revenue was attributable to increases of 6% from additional passenger cruise days, 2% from higher unit sales at Disney Vacation Club, 2% from an increase in occupied hotel room nights and 1% from higher average daily hotel room rates. The increase in passenger cruise days reflected the launch of the Disney Treasure in the first quarter of the current year.​

 

BrianLo

Well-Known Member
These are from the past four Comcast quarterly earnings reports, including the most recent one. Universal’s domestic theme park attendance has been down every quarter for the past year.

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None of which include 2023, in which TEA posted 9% declines in Orlando. Those were actually being buried in quarterlies by Hollywood it turns out.

I'm very curious to see 2024, likely another 5-10%? With a large drop in Hollywood.
 

DarkMetroid567

Well-Known Member
None of which include 2023, in which TEA posted 9% declines in Orlando. Those were actually being buried in quarterlies by Hollywood it turns out.

I'm very curious to see 2024, likely another 5-10%? With a large drop in Hollywood.
Hollywood needs help. Hollywood Drift isn’t going to be enough — I hope their 5-year plan is something substantial.

I know the fires weren’t in OC, but it doesn’t really look like they had an impact at Disneyland.
 

Disney Analyst

Well-Known Member
Hollywood needs help. Hollywood Drift isn’t going to be enough — I hope their 5-year plan is something substantial.

I know the fires weren’t in OC, but it doesn’t really look like they had an impact at Disneyland.

Disneyland is busy all the time. I really feel like it’ll surpass MK soon enough.
 

WoundedDreamer

Well-Known Member
These are from the past four Comcast quarterly earnings reports, including the most recent one. Universal’s domestic theme park attendance has been down every quarter for the past year.

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Here is another selection from the Comcast CFO's Q1 2025 prepared remarks:

"Looking past these pre-opening costs, underlying results in the quarter indicated stable trends in Orlando, giving us confidence that we are entering the Epic launch from a position of strength.

In addition, performance at our International parks remained strong and within our expectations, but we are seeing softness in Hollywood due to the aftermath of the wildfires and our proximity to these areas, which impacted our results in the first quarter, and we expect the recovery at Universal Hollywood to be a gradual one."


This statement seems incongruent with your original analysis that "Universal is seeing significant attendance declines on both coasts." Moreover, Universal Orlando's was already beginning to recover from its attendance slump in Q4. From the Comcast CFO's Q4 2024 prepared remarks:

"In Parks, we're seeing some stabilization after a slowdown in the second and third quarters. Adjusted for Epic pre-opening costs of around $35 million, EBITDA in the fourth quarter was flat year over year with attendance trends improving across most of our Parks including Orlando, solidifying the foundation for our opening of Epic Universe in May."

The second and third quarters of FY 2024 were the ones with the noticeable drop off in revenue. In Comcast's Q1 2025, the cause of the domestic attendance decline shifted from a lull in theme park demand (which Disney wrestled with in their Q3 and Q4) to other factors including the L.A. Wildfires. If there is a real weak link here, it has to be Universal Hollywood. Attendance declines there could be quite dramatic.
 
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LSLS

Well-Known Member
They don't to me, given consumer sentiment and the drop in international visitors. But this isn't the first time I've been wrong.

I'm surprised by the future bookings more than anything. Maybe the parks are such a huge draw that macroeconomic and international issues just don't matter.
For what it's worth, I have kids of friends who work down there that said food sales have been much higher the past 6 months or so than they had for years.
These are from the past four Comcast quarterly earnings reports, including the most recent one. Universal’s domestic theme park attendance has been down every quarter for the past year.

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I think a lot of blame was put on Hollywood for it. Didn't Nintendo open the year before? I am wondering if they are struggling with getting repeat business (they don't have the loyalty build Disney has), so everyone came out for the Nintendo opening that first year and then they just can't get them back.

As for the numbers now, I'm really starting to fall into the line that Disney and Universal just have VERY little overlap in the market. I'll admit I expected Epic to cut into Disney, in no small part because the cost to do both places is just too extreme. But it's sure looking like the people who may be holding off on trips for Epic are just not the same that would hit Disney.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
Is that occupancy of available inventory, or of total inventory?
Excellent point. Does Disney take rooms out on inventory? It makes sense from a operational standpoint; a room is taken out of inventory, its not ever rented, no people ever in it, no housekeeping or maintenance needed while its out of inventory.

And taking rooms out of inventory of course as you say, helps with the occupancy numbers reported.
 

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